Indonesian nurses & caregivers as expats in Europe

[jstar]

Quick and dirty translation of an article on study and work possibilities abroad. The content is rather commercial but it gives a good impression of what’s going on.

Tempo-Team lanceert programma buitenlandse verpleegkundigen - Skipr

Omdat er krapte is in heel Europa heeft Tempo-Team voor haar programma gekeken naar landen buiten Europa. Eén van die landen is Indonesië. Jaarlijks studeren daar 50.000 verpleegkundigen af. Er is hier sprake van overcapaciteit; veel verpleegkundigen komen na hun studie niet aan de slag. Voor...

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Because there are nursing staff shortages throughout Europe, employment agency Tempo-Team has looked at countries outside Europe. One of those countries is Indonesia. 50,000 nurses graduate here every year and there is overcapacity; many nurses do not get to work after their studies. For these university graduate nurses, Tempo-Team has now started a program for living-learning-working in the Netherlands together with its partner Yomema.

Social Return​

One of the main reasons Tempo-Team starts this program is – in addition to reducing scarcity – the level of ‘social return’. The program offers a solution to the staff shortage in healthcare in the Netherlands and at the same time the nurses obtain a globally valid professional bachelor diploma. After five years (or more) they return to Indonesia with gained knowledge and capable to improve care in Indonesia. In addition, with the money that the nurses earn here, they can financially support their families, so that for example siblings can also study.

Start program​

After an extensive screening and an assessment, it is decided which nurses can participate in the program. That program starts in Indonesia. Here they follow Dutch lessons for six months and learn about Dutch culture and our healthcare system. After six months they master the Dutch language at B1 level.

Living​

Together with the clients, Tempo-Team is looking for good living spaces for the students. Often healthcare organizations have their own real estate or opportunities within the organization or have access to a campus, where students can live. Otherwise, Tempo-Team will arrange the living space.

Learning​

The students follow a four-year Bachelor of Nursing degree at Avans+. The teacher of Avans+ always provides the lessons on location of the healthcare institution or in the region where the students will live and work. That is why Tempo-Team places groups of at least 20 students per region. In addition to their studies, the students do a 16-hour internship.

Working​

In addition to their internship, students are allowed to work additionally for up to 16 hours a week. They do this as a caregiver. So that makes a total of 32 hours. From experience we know that it takes a while before they can work completely independent. For example, students must first learn to work with lifting and practice putting on compression stockings. These procedures are not known in Indonesia. Care in the Netherlands is very different from that in Indonesia. That is why a good orientation period is very important, healthcare organizations will reap the benefits later.

Graduated​

Once the students have graduated, they have the opportunity to opt for a so-called ‘fifth search year’ for highly educated people. In that year they are allowed to work full-time as a professional bachelor nurse within a healthcare organization. After this year they return to Indonesia with the knowledge gained or decide whether they want to stay in the Netherlands.



This another program which is a bit silmilar:


Twenty students from Indonesia joined Pieter van Foreest
On Monday January 30th, a group of twenty enthusiastic students from Indonesia arrived in Delft to work at the Pieter van Foreest aged care organization. Win-win situation. Students earn HBO's internationally recognized degree in nursing in four years and Pieter van Forest has extra manpower in a time of staff shortage. The students are employed by the Tempo Team and will study and work at Pieter van Forest. They have ensured thorough preparation in the home country, including Dutch language and culture lessons, information on aged care in the Netherlands and housing. The students do an internship 16 hours a week and also work 16 hours a week. The rest of the time is available for study. Over time, the hours of apprenticeship and study will be less and the amount of working hours will increase. The goal is for the students to return to Indonesia after four years of work experience and additional qualifications.

Actueel

 

[Samoerai]

Quick and dirty translation of an article on study and work possibilities abroad. The content is rather commercial but it gives a good impression of what’s going on.

Tempo-Team lanceert programma buitenlandse verpleegkundigen - Skipr

Omdat er krapte is in heel Europa heeft Tempo-Team voor haar programma gekeken naar landen buiten Europa. Eén van die landen is Indonesië. Jaarlijks studeren daar 50.000 verpleegkundigen af. Er is hier sprake van overcapaciteit; veel verpleegkundigen komen na hun studie niet aan de slag. Voor...

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Because there are nursing staff shortages throughout Europe, employment agency Tempo-Team has looked at countries outside Europe. One of those countries is Indonesia. 50,000 nurses graduate here every year and there is overcapacity; many nurses do not get to work after their studies. For these university graduate nurses, Tempo-Team has now started a program for living-learning-working in the Netherlands together with its partner Yomema.

Social Return​

One of the main reasons Tempo-Team starts this program is – in addition to reducing scarcity – the level of ‘social return’. The program offers a solution to the staff shortage in healthcare in the Netherlands and at the same time the nurses obtain a globally valid professional bachelor diploma. After five years (or more) they return to Indonesia with gained knowledge and capable to improve care in Indonesia. In addition, with the money that the nurses earn here, they can financially support their families, so that for example siblings can also study.

Start program​

After an extensive screening and an assessment, it is decided which nurses can participate in the program. That program starts in Indonesia. Here they follow Dutch lessons for six months and learn about Dutch culture and our healthcare system. After six months they master the Dutch language at B1 level.

Living​

Together with the clients, Tempo-Team is looking for good living spaces for the students. Often healthcare organizations have their own real estate or opportunities within the organization or have access to a campus, where students can live. Otherwise, Tempo-Team will arrange the living space.

Learning​

The students follow a four-year Bachelor of Nursing degree at Avans+. The teacher of Avans+ always provides the lessons on location of the healthcare institution or in the region where the students will live and work. That is why Tempo-Team places groups of at least 20 students per region. In addition to their studies, the students do a 16-hour internship.

Working​

In addition to their internship, students are allowed to work additionally for up to 16 hours a week. They do this as a caregiver. So that makes a total of 32 hours. From experience we know that it takes a while before they can work completely independent. For example, students must first learn to work with lifting and practice putting on compression stockings. These procedures are not known in Indonesia. Care in the Netherlands is very different from that in Indonesia. That is why a good orientation period is very important, healthcare organizations will reap the benefits later.

Graduated​

Once the students have graduated, they have the opportunity to opt for a so-called ‘fifth search year’ for highly educated people. In that year they are allowed to work full-time as a professional bachelor nurse within a healthcare organization. After this year they return to Indonesia with the knowledge gained or decide whether they want to stay in the Netherlands.



This another program which is a bit silmilar:


Twenty students from Indonesia joined Pieter van Foreest
On Monday January 30th, a group of twenty enthusiastic students from Indonesia arrived in Delft to work at the Pieter van Foreest aged care organization. Win-win situation. Students earn HBO's internationally recognized degree in nursing in four years and Pieter van Forest has extra manpower in a time of staff shortage. The students are employed by the Tempo Team and will study and work at Pieter van Forest. They have ensured thorough preparation in the home country, including Dutch language and culture lessons, information on aged care in the Netherlands and housing. The students do an internship 16 hours a week and also work 16 hours a week. The rest of the time is available for study. Over time, the hours of apprenticeship and study will be less and the amount of working hours will increase. The goal is for the students to return to Indonesia after four years of work experience and additional qualifications.

Actueel

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Shortage of workers ... not only in healthcare in The Netherlands. Almost in every field. A lot of opportunity's for Indonesians ... if one wants to move and work in The Netherlands.

 

[Dave70]

I remember many years ago, hundreds of Indonesian nurses were "expelled" from the Netherlands due to "incompetence"?

Incidentally, our company driver is applying to work in Australia as a truck driver or heavy equipment operator in the mining industry. He is paying around a hundred million rupiah to get the job. I don't know if the money goes to the recruiter or employment agency. Legal or not, I don't know either. But I'm surprised that Australia is hiring workers from Indonesia. Let's see if he is departing in a month or two.

 

[fastpitch17]

There are a number of Indonesians working in Japan with many of them in healthcare of the elderly population.

 

[fastpitch17]

I can imagine there are many opportunities abroad for Indonesian youth besides domestic work. Anyone know of any opportunities or NGOs that place Indonesians abroad to study or gain work skills?

 

[jstar]

There are some more in the medical field of course, but often the language skills are a problem.

Personel perawatan dari Indonesia yang berbicara bahasa Belanda - Care Indonesia

Care indonesia menghubungkan profesional perawatan Indonesia dengan instansi perawatan di Belanda.

www.careindonesia.nl

Many universities offer scholarships and these are not so difficult to find. It’s just a shame only the people of higher classes in the Indonesian society seem interested in these programs.

This is an example of such an overview:

https://ehef.id/post/which-dutch-scholarships-are-you-eligible

And this is from one of the higher ranking universities in the Netherlands:

Scholarships

Leiden University works close with Indonesian and Dutch scholarship providers in order to expand the opportunities for Indonesian students to study in Leiden.

www.universiteitleiden.nl

 

[snpark]

I remember many years ago, hundreds of Indonesian nurses were "expelled" from the Netherlands due to "incompetence"?

Incidentally, our company driver is applying to work in Australia as a truck driver or heavy equipment operator in the mining industry. He is paying around a hundred million rupiah to get the job. I don't know if the money goes to the recruiter or employment agency. Legal or not, I don't know either. But I'm surprised that Australia is hiring workers from Indonesia. Let's see if he is departing in a month or two.

Morally shouldn't you check for him and make sure he isn't getting conned. 100jt is a lot for an indonesian to save up

 

[Dave70]

Morally shouldn't you check for him and make sure he isn't getting conned. 100jt is a lot for an indonesian to save up

That's why I'm posting in this forum. Is there really job openings for Indonesian mine workers in Australia?

I wasn't privy to his plans, I only learned about it from other drivers. Nevertheless, I asked his friend to warn him of job scams without sounding like "I'm not letting him pursue a better future".

 

[jstar]

Incidentally, our company driver is applying to work in Australia as a truck driver or heavy equipment operator in the mining industry. He is paying around a hundred million rupiah to get the job.

Perhaps possible since it’s a ‘bottleneck profession’? As a nurse is. A bit like Turkish agents who get whole families to Western Europe since they are all bakers(‘ help) which can get in rather easily.

I talked to a part-time Grab driver here who told me he would leave for New Zealand soon. As a student. Well, not really because it is one big setup to get to work. They had it all figured out.

So he explained there are agents assisting with getting a student visa and then find work full time which is allowed since he would be in a Master’s program. Otherwise it’s limited to 20 hours per week or so and only after a certain period.

 

[Samoerai]

There are some more in the medical field of course, but often the language skills are a problem.

Personel perawatan dari Indonesia yang berbicara bahasa Belanda - Care Indonesia

Care indonesia menghubungkan profesional perawatan Indonesia dengan instansi perawatan di Belanda.

www.careindonesia.nl

Many universities offer scholarships and these are not so difficult to find. It’s just a shame only the people of higher classes in the Indonesian society seem interested in these programs.

This is an example of such an overview:

https://ehef.id/post/which-dutch-scholarships-are-you-eligible

And this is from one of the higher ranking universities in the Netherlands:

Scholarships

Leiden University works close with Indonesian and Dutch scholarship providers in order to expand the opportunities for Indonesian students to study in Leiden.

www.universiteitleiden.nl

Here is another link for scholarships https://www.nuffic.nl/en/subjects/scholarships

 

[Samoerai]

That's why I'm posting in this forum. Is there really job openings for Indonesian mine workers in Australia?

I wasn't privy to his plans, I only learned about it from other drivers. Nevertheless, I asked his friend to warn him of job scams without sounding like "I'm not letting him pursue a better future".

According to this link, yes there are mining jobs in Australia: https://www.rocketremit.com/2021/09...you can make money,what company they work for.

 

[jstar]

Translated article Dutch newspaper from the east of the country:


If you can't find healthcare personnel anywhere, you have to do something. The need is now so high that four care organizations are enlisting the help of 75 healthcare students from Indonesia.

Much is already being done to tackle the acute staff shortage in healthcare, but it is not enough. The shortage continues to increase everywhere. And that will not change in the coming years, not even in this region. Something must be done now.

The care organizations are therefore employing 75 students from Indonesia. These young people in training can then start working in eastern Dutch cities during their studies. A win-win situation, that is the expectation.

This approach is new for the cooperative of which these four healthcare organizations belong. And that also applies to this region, says Lex Smetsers, chairman of the board of directors of the cooperative. “However, many positive experiences are already known nationwide.” For example, Smetsers was the first in the Netherlands to gain experience with the deployment of Indonesian students in healthcare. Back then at a care organization in the province Drenthe. And that went so well that they now also dare to do it here in the province Twente and the region Achterhoek.

This plan raises several questions. What about the language, for example? According to Lex Smetsers, this has been thought through. “The students who come here have had intensive training in the Dutch language and culture for several months.” The recruitment and selection is done in Indonesia by the organization Yomema. “Part of the selection are various tests to ensure that the basic knowledge of the students meets the requirements that we set here, and to be as sure as possible that a student can take such a big step.” Once here, the students start at the bottom. “They first start working as a starting care employee at the helping level. Then as a caretaker for individual health care. And in the meantime they are studying to become a nurse at a higher vocational level.”

And why Indonesia? Because, according to the cooperative, there is a surplus of healthcare workers there. "Many of them are therefore without a job, while they can be of great importance in the Netherlands." The students come to the Netherlands on the basis of a study residence permit. While they follow their training as a nursing professional here, they can be employed for about four years at the care centers. Then they can return to Indonesia with this new experience and gained knowledge. The training is paid for by the healthcare organizations themselves. Smetsers: “As is often the case with other students for the training of a certified nurse on bachelor level.”

According to Smetsers, this approach is more than fixing a temporary emergency. The cooperative continues to focus on new healthcare technologies and the training of lateral entrants and people with distanced from the labor market. “But we also see added value in the use of migrant labor.”

 

[Samoerai]

Translated article Dutch newspaper from the east of the country:


If you can't find healthcare personnel anywhere, you have to do something. The need is now so high that four care organizations are enlisting the help of 75 healthcare students from Indonesia.

Much is already being done to tackle the acute staff shortage in healthcare, but it is not enough. The shortage continues to increase everywhere. And that will not change in the coming years, not even in this region. Something must be done now.

The care organizations are therefore employing 75 students from Indonesia. These young people in training can then start working in eastern Dutch cities during their studies. A win-win situation, that is the expectation.

This approach is new for the cooperative of which these four healthcare organizations belong. And that also applies to this region, says Lex Smetsers, chairman of the board of directors of the cooperative. “However, many positive experiences are already known nationwide.” For example, Smetsers was the first in the Netherlands to gain experience with the deployment of Indonesian students in healthcare. Back then at a care organization in the province Drenthe. And that went so well that they now also dare to do it here in the province Twente and the region Achterhoek.

This plan raises several questions. What about the language, for example? According to Lex Smetsers, this has been thought through. “The students who come here have had intensive training in the Dutch language and culture for several months.” The recruitment and selection is done in Indonesia by the organization Yomema. “Part of the selection are various tests to ensure that the basic knowledge of the students meets the requirements that we set here, and to be as sure as possible that a student can take such a big step.” Once here, the students start at the bottom. “They first start working as a starting care employee at the helping level. Then as a caretaker for individual health care. And in the meantime they are studying to become a nurse at a higher vocational level.”

And why Indonesia? Because, according to the cooperative, there is a surplus of healthcare workers there. "Many of them are therefore without a job, while they can be of great importance in the Netherlands." The students come to the Netherlands on the basis of a study residence permit. While they follow their training as a nursing professional here, they can be employed for about four years at the care centers. Then they can return to Indonesia with this new experience and gained knowledge. The training is paid for by the healthcare organizations themselves. Smetsers: “As is often the case with other students for the training of a certified nurse on bachelor level.”

According to Smetsers, this approach is more than fixing a temporary emergency. The cooperative continues to focus on new healthcare technologies and the training of lateral entrants and people with distanced from the labor market. “But we also see added value in the use of migrant labor.”


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Good initiative .. rejeki for the students.

 

[fastpitch17]

There have been a number of healthcare worker from Indonesia in Japan for a number of years. Primarily to take care of those in nursing facilities. Pay is good and training us excellent. Especially for the care of older Indonesians when they return. The problem is, there is not much for them when they return since Indonesia puts so little into elderly care.

Hopefully even more Indonesian healthcare personnel can go into other countries and while being trained at a much higher level, be able to get paid for working and honing their skills. It is great for the nurses and if allowed to share their skills when they return, a great benefit for Indonesia's health care system. One problem, if a nurse should mention to a doctor that their may be a better way, that doctor will in all likelihood want them replaced for challenging their choices and ego.

It would be great if not only nurses were trained in ither nations but doctors too. That would increase the level of quality care here. Of course, foreign trained doctors would probably return and set up private practices and avoid the government run programs due to the financial limitations they would be up against. Foreign trained and upon return placed in medical teaching positions with better curriculums would be a most beneficial program.

It would also be nice if Indonesia had an actual geriatric care program in clinics and hospitals. I haven't come across it if it does.

 

[harryopal1]

".....It would also be nice if Indonesia had an actual geriatric care program in clinics and hospitals. I haven't come across it if it does....."

I don't disagree but a major reason for the lack of investment in this area is that many parts of Asia still have a tradition of the family looking after the elderly. And perhaps one of the reasons for couples having more than one or two children so that in the event of a child dying there will still be others to look after parents in old age. In most Western countries the tendency is to shove the elderly parent or parents in to some kind of home. A feature in Australia has been recent revelations of a lack of care to the point of criminal neglect in many homes for the aged.

 

[fastpitch17]

Geriatrics does not mean retirement homes. It's a medical specialty that doctors can go into. It is care of the elderly since they develop problems not found regularly in younger patients.

 

[pantaiema]

Indonesia should learn from the Philippines/ Philippines has been sending many healthcare workers, nurses across the globe. It is much better than sending domestic workers which many are just being abused by their masters.

 

[jstar]

The Philippines also have many domestic workers etc. as OFW (our TKI) working abroad, esp. In Spore, HK and Japan. Perhaps a bit less in the UAE and Qatar and so, where they work more in the upscale hotels (thanks to a rather good comprehension of English and they do have a different religion of course). There are -percentage wise- much less nurses than you would think. Also the amount of Filipino’s on sea, like cruise ships, is huge. That country is much more supportive for the educated migrants, which is practically lacking here. And yes, the language skills play an important role.

Btw, it is not so easy anymore to find a suster to support for instance an elderly or disabled person. It seems many don’t want to do that anymore. Of course it is rather intensive and practically a (semi) live-in job.

 

[Samoerai]

It seems many don’t want to do that anymore. Of course it is rather intensive and practically a (semi) live-in job

The people in Holland are on average much bigger and heavier than a Philipino.

 

[pantaiema]

The people in Holland are on average much biggervand heavier than a Philipino.

But they do not suppose to carry or piggyback the elderly under their care. For that there should be any lift, crane around the house. Alternatively two people for these special purposes will be needed