Indonesian immigration view on CRBA

[Anfooshi]

Hey everyone,

A CRBA is a Consular Reported Birth Abroad via the US Embassy. An SS# and Passport are a separate process but this would be the first step.

Does immigration here judge this as foreign citizenship?

Any experience or opinions are appreciated.

 

[Jaime C]

If Indonesian and another country, dual nationals allowed until 18. Must choose by age of 21.

 

[Anfooshi]

If Indonesian and another country, dual nationals allowed until 18. Must choose by age of 21.

Thanks for the reply.

Would a CRBA be classified as citizenship without a passport or SS# from the USA?

 

[Ruserious]

Would a CRBA be classified as citizenship without a passport or SS# from the USA?

How would they know about it anyway unless you tell them? It definitely is a form of citizenship but immigration here would probably answer differently depending on who you ask

 

[Anfooshi]

How would they know about it anyway unless you tell them? It definitely is a form of citizenship but immigration here would probably answer differently depending on who you ask

Thanks for the reply.

I agree that I would probably get different answers from Immigration. I do recall a post here that someone posted that they were trying to deport their daughter so more info from members would be a benefit.

 

[jstar]

Post in thread 'dual passport for child'
https://www.expatindo.org/community/threads/dual-passport-for-child.4834/post-65321


I guess it’s very clear for everyone that obtaining a CRBA is getting an American citizenship for your child.

Imigrasi are no idiots (no, really). The question is whether the US representatives would ever contact Indonesian authorities with this information? Perhaps to complete their own files?

 

[pantaiema]

Hey everyone,

A CRBA is a Consular Reported Birth Abroad via the US Embassy. An SS# and Passport are a separate process but this would be the first step.

Does immigration here judge this as foreign citizenship?

Any experience or opinions are appreciated.

As I understand it, a CRBA is an official evidence of citizenship for children under the age of 18 born abroad to a U.S. citizen parent(s) who acquired citizenship at birth.

Indonesian citizenship law UU_No_12_2006 clearly state it does not recognise dual citizenship (bipatride), or stateless (apatride). Dual citizenship is only for children up to 18yo

For dual citizenship for children up to 18 yo, when they do not declare it until they reach the age of 21 (18+3) that they choose to be an Indonesian citizenship they have missed the window to claim the Indonesian citizenship. But to "officially" lose one's Indonesian citizenship there is a complicated procedure to follow e.g it will need to be officially revoked by the Indonesian president.

However, even before the Indonesian president officially revokes someone's Indonesian citizenship, there is nothing to prevent immigrations staffs, consular staffs from refusing to provide assistance with immigration services, denying passport renewal, etc.

 

[Anfooshi]

Post in thread 'dual passport for child'
https://www.expatindo.org/community/threads/dual-passport-for-child.4834/post-65321


I guess it’s very clear for everyone that obtaining a CRBA is getting an American citizenship for your child.

Imigrasi are no idiots (no, really). The question is whether the US representatives would ever contact Indonesian authorities with this information? Perhaps to complete their own files?

Thanks for the reply.

I completely agree with all points. However, the ambiguity in the status may yield a unique solution which eludes me.

If I decide to ask immigration I will update the thread.

 

[Anfooshi]

As I understand it, a CRBA is an official evidence of citizenship for children under the age of 18 born abroad to a U.S. citizen parent(s) who acquired citizenship at birth.

Indonesian citizenship law UU_No_12_2006 clearly state it does not recognise dual citizenship (bipatride), or stateless (apatride). Dual citizenship is only for children up to 18yo

For dual citizenship for children up to 18 yo, when they do not declare it until they reach the age of 21 (18+3) that they choose to be an Indonesian citizenship they have missed the window to claim the Indonesian citizenship. But to "officially" lose one's Indonesian citizenship there is a complicated procedure to follow e.g it will need to be officially revoked by the Indonesian president.

However, even before the Indonesian president officially revokes someone's Indonesian citizenship, there is nothing to prevent immigrations staffs, consular staffs from refusing to provide assistance with immigration services, denying passport renewal, etc.

Thanks for the reply.

Giving up US citizenship is not easy either but may be easier in the future. I guess the best hope is for the laws to change regarding dual citizenship.

 

[pantaiema]

Thanks for the reply.

Giving up US citizenship is not easy either but may be easier in the future. I guess the best hope is for the laws to change regarding dual citizenship.

Presumably, that will be a long wait, but who knows.

As far as I know, the current plan isn't for dual citizenship but rather a model similar to the Indian Government's OCI (Overseas Citizen of India) program. Implementing dual citizenship in Indonesia would require a fundamental change tied to the history of nationalism in Indonesia, specifically the "Sumpah Pemuda" (Youth Pledge). It's not just about amending Indonesian citizenship law UU No. 12/2006 and having it approved by Parliament.

If you're interested in following this topic, there is an ongoing discussion about this development here.

Dual Passport/Citizenship Borderless Travel etc

I don't get it! What is it these people don't understand about Indonesia doesn't recognize dual passports? Either keep one or the other and accept that's the way it is. You must admit that it is a pain that Indonesia does not recognize double nationality.... It used to be like that in Thailand...

www.expatindo.org

 

[Anfooshi]

Thanks for the reply.

I have been following the issue but seems to be a general discussion rather than actual action.