Indonesia set to introduce strict new law banning sex outside of marriage

[Shadrach]

I am not sure whether you believe in the existence of God or not, but even if you don't, adopting a pre-emptive strategy might be wise. After all, the nature of life after death is something noone truly knows unless they are already dead. It does not matter whether they are conservative Christian, imam, Hindu / Buddhist priests, monk, pope, pastor, etc.

If there turns out to be no hell after death, you have little to lose. But what if there is?

Yea, you're right about no one knowing about life after death, because the everyone that died aren't telling us! Did you ever consider worrying about matters like this are already hell on Earth? And if there is a Heaven and Hell after life, who is to determine what a person does to go to one or the other? You seem to only mention male roles there. Maybe God is a Black Woman!
Having Morality Police is scary, because who makes the rules? What about societies that allow polygamy. Is that a sin? And societies where Women are the leaders?
What about animals? They procreate and are not married. Does this make them sinners? Did we evolve from primordial goo, or just pop up fully developed?
This is something I think, everyone should question, and decide for themselves. Not their religion, or society!

 

[Bob]

Indeed raids have been going on for years and years, long before the cohabitation law was enacted.

In the news above, and post #206 in relation newly introduce co-habitation law
"Hotel in Jambi raided by police. Police inspected each & every room for presence of illegal substance/weapons, prostitution and gambling activity). They found nothing except for one unmarried couple which they arrested (for staying together in one room)."

Before the introduction of the cohabitation law which is enacted which include sex outside of marriage, neither the police nor hotels (if applicable) had the authority to demand proof of marriage from individuals sharing a room, nor could law enforcement arrest anyone on the spot based solely on this. While referred to as the "cohabitation law" is the English translation, the law explicitly give power to law enforcers to act if tipped off by a spouse, parent, child, or group of people connected through family ties allegedly commuting adultery outside marriage. Is this distinction not clear now?

While there are existing laws addressing prostitution, they operate on a different level than the cohabitation, sex outside marriage law, which is why the latter was introduced. Additionally, this could set a precedent for conducting similar raids based on tips from those who do not like this sort of lifestyle involving family members.

While other nations are exploring the possibility of living on Mars, some countries seem to be regressing to the middle ages, regulating unnecessary things, very little benefit to society just because some radical group of people who are very vocal want it. Just to remind people there is already 'shariah law' in Aceh. If shariah law is implied theoretically the person committing adultery could be stoned to death in public

In my opinion, the only thing helps Indonesia's prosperity, set apart with the countries like Afghanistan or certain drought stricken, conflict ridden nations in Africa lies in Indonesia's wealth of natural resources. These include abundant minerals, mining assets, oil and gas reserves, tropical forests, marine resources, abundant of arable land.

That part about the police nor hotels having authority to demand proof of marriage before the cohabitation law was passed isn't correct. If it was correct then how would those raids have been taking place for years and years before the cohabitation law was passed?

 

[Vulgarian]

 

[harryopal1]

I am not sure whether you believe in the existence of God or not, but even if you don't, adopting a pre-emptive strategy might be wise. After all, the nature of life after death is something noone truly knows unless they are already dead. It does not matter whether they are conservative Christian, imam, Hindu / Buddhist priests, monk, pope, pastor, etc.

If there turns out to be no hell after death, you have little to lose. But what if there is?

Many years ago some Catholic friends used this logic to suggest conversion to Catholocism to avoid the fiery pits of hell. According to that logic it would be prudent to become Catholic, Protestant, 7th Day Adventist, Buddhist, Muslim and there would be a list of perhaps another hundred belief systems to take up just to be on the safe side. These notions of eternal damnation seem rather pointless. God knowing the beginning and the end and the creator of everything, it seems to be rather contradictory to be set on eternal vengeful damnation when he knew before he started what you and I were going to do.

Wow! Is this blasphemous? Am I now doomed for eternity and to be stoned to death in the short term?

 

[Shadrach]

Many years ago some Catholic friends used this logic to suggest conversion to Catholocism to avoid the fiery pits of hell. According to that logic it would be prudent to become Catholic, Protestant, 7th Day Adventist, Buddhist, Muslim and there would be a list of perhaps another hundred belief systems to take up just to be on the safe side. These notions of eternal damnation seem rather pointless. God knowing the beginning and the end and the creator of everything, it seems to be rather contradictory to be set on eternal vengeful damnation when he knew before he started what you and I were going to do.

Wow! Is this blasphemous? Am I now doomed for eternity and to be stoned to death in the short term?
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All this hellfire and damnation! Is designed to scare the Hell out of ignorant people, and keep them afraid and the only way to not suffer, is to believe in these religions, and give their money to the Church, Temple, Mosque, Synagogue, and believe all that only the priest can communicate directly with God!
They keep saying how God is a loving, caring, all seeing being, but if you step out of line, God will come down hard, and kick your ass, all the way to eternal damnation! If this is (God's Love), I don't want any part of it!

 

[fastpitch17]

You are taught to fear god. You are taught to fear hell.
Not much left regarding religion. No wonder all those religious fanatics look like they have been constipated for years. Priest, pastors, reverends, imams, Sunday school teachers, youth group leaders, rabis, religion teachers, and preachers from political pulpits have all been arrested, tried, and found guilty of child molestation. Who were they fearing?

 

[Helpful Herbert]

I am not sure whether you believe in the existence of God or not, but even if you don't, adopting a pre-emptive strategy might be wise. After all, the nature of life after death is something noone truly knows unless they are already dead. It does not matter whether they are conservative Christian, imam, Hindu / Buddhist priests, monk, pope, pastor, etc.

If there turns out to be no hell after death, you have little to lose. But what if there is?

In a recently invented religion, people who don't walk around with dead chickens on their heads between the hours of 3pm and 5pm every day are doomed to eternal damnation. You might as well follow this rule, since what if you die and it turns out this was actually the correct religion after all? If there turns out to be no hell you have little to lose except a few people laughing at you in the late afternoon each day.

 

[pantaiema]

In a recently invented religion, people who don't walk around with dead chickens on their heads between the hours of 3pm and 5pm every day are doomed to eternal damnation. You might as well follow this rule, since what if you die and it turns out this was actually the correct religion after all? If there turns out to be no hell you have little to lose except a few people laughing at you in the late afternoon each day.

Well There are over 190 religious belief groups in Indonesia, and it’s impossible to adhere to all of them, to follow all of them, too much to sacrifice.

Similarly, in investing in the stock market, when resources are limited, you focus on the investments you have the highest conviction. While in investing, people can diversify by putting money into an index fund, no such equivalent exists for religious beliefs. Also remember adhering to a single religion is a constitutional requirement to for those who want to become an Indonesian Citizen, as individuals must officially declare a religion. People also need it when they want to get married to an Indonesian.

 

[Hawk256]

Many years ago some Catholic friends used this logic to suggest conversion to Catholocism to avoid the fiery pits of hell. According to that logic it would be prudent to become Catholic, Protestant, 7th Day Adventist, Buddhist, Muslim and there would be a list of perhaps another hundred belief systems to take up just to be on the safe side. These notions of eternal damnation seem rather pointless. God knowing the beginning and the end and the creator of everything, it seems to be rather contradictory to be set on eternal vengeful damnation when he knew before he started what you and I were going to do.

Wow! Is this blasphemous? Am I now doomed for eternity and to be stoned to death in the short term?
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Quick question and let me know if it sounds logical to you. Will you get a high paying job as a lawyer before going to law school? You have to be tested. Even if someone knew you would fail, it wouldn't be fair to not give you the chance of if they let someone else in ahead of you because they knew they would succeed. In a fair system, you are judged by your actions as they exist. God may know what you will do but it is up to you to prove it.

 

[harryopal1]

Quick question and let me know if it sounds logical to you. Will you get a high paying job as a lawyer before going to law school? You have to be tested. Even if someone knew you would fail, it wouldn't be fair to not give you the chance of if they let someone else in ahead of you because they knew they would succeed. In a fair system, you are judged by your actions as they exist. God may know what you will do but it is up to you to prove it.

God may know what you will do but it is up to you to prove it. There is an estimated 117 billion people who have lived on earth. So God is sitting there patiently waiting to see if each of these people would prove what God aready knows? Sorry, but that realy doesn't make a lof of sense to me. Or, perhaps as Catholics used to say, and maybe the still do, "It is all hidden by a cloud of mystery,"

And if we fail, we are to be punished in hell fire for all eternity? Even though God knew in advance we would fail. That doesn't seem merciful and loving to me.

 

[Hawk256]

And if we fail, we are to be punished in hell fire for all eternity? Even though God knew in advance we would fail. That doesn't seem merciful and loving to me.

That punishment is debatable even within some groups of the same religion. I think the main takeaway should be that you could never say you weren't given a chance. I don't see how that is unjust. No one forces you to believe or act in any way but you can't claim ignorance of the fact that you could have.

 

[fastpitch17]

If there is a hell fire of damnation I'll be giving it a head start with being creamated.