Immigration asking for your social media US

[Mark2017]

This is a thought provoking issue the United States are planning.

‘According to a State Department plan published today, visa seekers — whether visitors or would-be immigrants — will be presented with a list of social media platforms.
Applicants will be required to identify which they use and provide........’


Oh well, nothing much to see on mine.
Much more convenient to add the border officials as a friend . On the upside, at least they ‘ask’ for it.

http://www.thejournal.ie/us-visa-social-media-3933430-Mar2018/

 

[Fred]

That's going to naff things up for some.
I suspect anyone who criticises Trump will be banned, regardless of anything they might or might not be.

 

[William King]

Simple enough to make some new non offensive accounts

 

[Fred]

Yes, I've opened a FB page called, "Mr President, I also want to shag your daughter - fancy a threesome?"
I've set up a GoPro in my bedroom in case he takes me up on it - I'll make a fortune.

 

[Davita]

Interesting part of the linked ststements...."Friday’s announced measures will not touch diplomatic or official travelers."
I assume that means all remaining, and future, Russian Diplomats get a free pass!

 

[steveandpenny]

Entering into the U.S. now they can demand for to to unlock your phone and laptop. You must provide passwords not only to social media but to any part of your computer .
As of right now its beeing done very sparsly because of the business world throwing a fit about it(trade secrets and all).

If you refuse they will confiscate your electroncs and you can be detained. This goes for any traveler including someone with U.S. passport.
I read a article about whole new business poppng up which is a software that wipes the computers hard drive when you enter it' password to protect it from being access.
I swear the world is going crazy.

The people that are doing real illegals stuff will know how to get the system and the only ones that will get caught are regular people with embrassing stuff on their electronics. It' kind of like drug testing where all the druggies know how to pass the test and the guy how smoked a joint over the weekend gets caught.

 

[Fred]

Whatever way you look at this, it's stupid.
As was noted above, anyone with extremist material, drug stuff, kiddie porn and so on will hide it anyway, and create social media stuff for the US security morons to look at and assume the family photos are all the traveller has to hide.
Anyone with serious intent will create long term accounts so it looks like they're average.

 

[IndoTom]

Step 1. Open Twitter account
Step 2. Follow “The real Donald Trump”
Step 3. Profit... instant green card or fast track immigration line.

 

[R Cameron]

If you refuse they will confiscate your electroncs and you can be detained. This goes for any traveler including someone with U.S. passport.
I read a article about whole new business poppng up which is a software that wipes the computers hard drive when you enter it' password to protect it from being access.
I swear the world is going crazy.

It's very feasible for a computer to have two different logins, but when you turn on the computer it doesn't show two options. It appears to only have one user login, so if you enter password "ABC" it enters your normal desktop environment with all your normal files, but if you enter password "XYZ" it enters a desktop environment with just enough files and programs to appear as though it's used for typical boring activities. Further, it could be created such that you could enter a third password "XYZ!!!" and it enters the plain desktop while formatting the sensitive one in the background.

I haven't seen if it exists yet, and it may need Microsoft and Apple's cooperation to get it on those Operating Systems, but it could definitely be coded into a Linux distribution.

 

[Vicissidude]

We saw this coming a year ago, immediately following the inauguration. Remember this? https://www.theverge.com/2017/2/12/...ar-detained-cbp-phone-search-trump-travel-ban

 

[harryopal1]

This is a thought provoking issue the United States are planning.

‘According to a State Department plan published today, visa seekers — whether visitors or would-be immigrants — will be presented with a list of social media platforms.
Applicants will be required to identify which they use and provide........’
http://www.thejournal.ie/us-visa-social-media-3933430-Mar2018/

This may seem a harsh aberration but this is the future. This week the Guardian had an article explaining that whatever you have looked at or posted using IT services such as Facebook and Google are all stored in filing systems even though you may think you have have erased stuff. It is all there and accessible. If you looked at something a bit on the shady side and then erased your history it didn't work. If you said something you regretted and later erased. You may think it's gone but it is there for the tech giants who increasingly are being pressured by governments for access. To keep their incomes rolling you can expect the big IT servers will soon comply. The Guardian article also provided links so that you could check what was installed on your files.

This week the ABC ran a story about China creating a "social credits" system so that citizens can be checked out to see that they are taking the proper social line with penalties if they have not such as remaining jobless and even being stopped entry to restaurants. These systems are being linked with facial recognition technology so I imagine in the next decade most countries will adopt similar measures. At the airport or anywhere some government official doesn't like the look of you he or she uses facial recognition and pulls up your "social credits" or lack of them any takes appropriate measures. In China it is all about maintaining "social harmony". In the western countries it's all about securiy and ":keeping you" safe or society safe from you.

Indonesia may have a way to go in catching up with computer systems but perhaps sooner than we might expect they will develop their capacities so our smart aleck remarks on this forum may come back to haunt us... or see us deported.

 

[dafluff]

This may seem a harsh aberration but this is the future. This week the Guardian had an article explaining that whatever you have looked at or posted using IT services such as Facebook and Google are all stored in filing systems even though you may think you have have erased stuff. It is all there and accessible. If you looked at something a bit on the shady side and then erased your history it didn't work. If you said something you regretted and later erased. You may think it's gone but it is there for the tech giants who increasingly are being pressured by governments for access. To keep their incomes rolling you can expect the big IT servers will soon comply. The Guardian article also provided links so that you could check what was installed on your files.

This week the ABC ran a story about China creating a "social credits" system so that citizens can be checked out to see that they are taking the proper social line with penalties if they have not such as remaining jobless and even being stopped entry to restaurants. These systems are being linked with facial recognition technology so I imagine in the next decade most countries will adopt similar measures. At the airport or anywhere some government official doesn't like the look of you he or she uses facial recognition and pulls up your "social credits" or lack of them any takes appropriate measures. In China it is all about maintaining "social harmony". In the western countries it's all about securiy and ":keeping you" safe or society safe from you.

Indonesia may have a way to go in catching up with computer systems but perhaps sooner than we might expect they will develop their capacities so our smart aleck remarks on this forum may come back to haunt us... or see us deported.

The development of AI combined with social media/google is scary. Everything you upload to Google you give up rights to. Further, things like Google Photos use AI to analyze your images. This is useful to you so you can search you images ("beach holiday" will show all pictures with a beach for example, without you ever tagging your images as such). But it gives far too much information about your habits and preferences to Google (or whatever company).

I remember when gmail came out, I didn't make an account even though at the time they were giving up "huge" 2 GB space, because they explicitly stated that they would read the e-mails. But judging by the fact that they are now the largest e-mail provider, I suppose this didn't bother people.

 

[Anfooshi]

It's common for US citizens gone for greater than 6 mos to be interviewed. I was put in a room asked questions, asked for phone numbers of people I hung out with, # of passports or citizenship, and went thru my phone too.

The agent will also write down everything you say so if you contradict yourself they can refer to their notes.

Maybe it's just me. But, I'm always sitting next to the air marshal. Even when I left Jakarta the 1st time was ghosted until ORD Chicago. Makes me feel safe. ?

 

[waarmstrong]

Its not common.

 

[jstar]

I know Singapore has sky marshals, but Indonesia?

 

[Jaime C]

It's common for US citizens gone for greater than 6 mos to be interviewed. I was put in a room asked questions, asked for phone numbers of people I hung out with, # of passports or citizenship, and went thru my phone too.

The agent will also write down everything you say so if you contradict yourself they can refer to their notes.

Maybe it's just me. But, I'm always sitting next to the air marshal. Even when I left Jakarta the 1st time was ghosted until ORD Chicago. Makes me feel safe. ?

No, I don’t think it is common for US citizens to be asked questions in an interview room if they’re gone for 6 months.

Out of 100+ international trips, I can recall one time that I waited awhile in a room with other intl passengers. No questions, though. I’ve had my bags searched a few times.

US citizens don’t have to answer any questions at all, and can refuse to have devices inspected. I guess they could get a warrant to inspect a device, but it’s very uncommon.

 

[Anfooshi]

I got nothing to hide but always make friends with them. So much so that they apologize to me afterwards. But if your boarding pass for your port of entry flight has "SSSS" on the ticket. Then you will go thru extra screening.

The air marshal leaving CGK to NRT to ORD was American but of Asian descent. Maybe Thai area etc.... Ex- USA military

 

[waarmstrong]

Whether or not you have anything to hide or not is another issue. What I find objectionable is generalizing an anecdotal experience into an unsubstantiated pattern of questionable behavior by US customs and immigration personnel that in 25 plus years of traveling to and from the USA and living abroad we have not experienced.

 

[Anfooshi]

Whether or not you have anything to hide or not is another issue. What I find objectionable is generalizing an anecdotal experience into an unsubstantiated pattern of questionable behavior by US customs and immigration personnel that in 25 plus years of traveling to and from the USA and living abroad we have not experienced.

I have a Muslim name. Glad you didn't/ don't have that experience. But there are numerous cases of this happening to Americans. Peace.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw1uFC9A2HIhSpw6245lluG0

ICE held an American man in custody for 1,273 days. He’s not the only one who had to prove his citizenship

Immigration officers in the United States operate under a cardinal rule: Keep your hands off Americans.

www.latimes.com

 

[waarmstrong]

So now its not about being abroad for 6 months, triggering an interview, but rather having a Muslim name and traveling to and from "hotspots." Which is it?
Your ssss link does not work and the LA Times article you site deals with the bumbling efforts of ICE within the USA. It does not address whether Internationally traveling Americans can expect to be detailed and searched and under what conditions.