How Indonesian resort island Bali became a refuge for Ukrainians and Russians

If the interview with the IG account highlighting how the Russians are behaving is any indication, their downfall seems to be that they couldn't keep a low profile and have begun to blatantly attract attention (ie. openly marketing their business).


Is there a way for them to become legit? If their Kitas is an investor Kitas but in practice they become a DJ, does Immigration allow for them to update their Kitas from investor to DJ or what?

No
You can only do a job that an Indonesian cannot and you're supposed to be training your replacement
 
Is there a way for them to become legit? If their Kitas is an investor Kitas but in practice they become a DJ, does Immigration allow for them to update their Kitas from investor to DJ or what?
As one russian on Bali stated in an interview, when we get caught doing something we shouldn't be, we just pay the fines. Fines? Something tells me none of those fines come with receipts.
 
So why would a Russian leader and soldiers do the same brutal things, killing women and children etc etc ,which they suffered in WW2 , It is illogical .
Did they learn nothing ,except to repeat the same BS which happened to them .
In your previous assertion you compared Russians with Nazi/Hitler, which does not make sense, as the Russian troops are in fact the key forces that significantly contributing to the end of WW2, stopping NAZI/Hitler invasion to the east and then defeating them. Russian Army stopped Nazi/Hitler expansion to the east, by attacking them from the East and then invading the east Berlin, the last Hitler stronghold. If not because of the Russian army, Hitler would not be committing a suicide in a bunker in Berlin which marked up the end of WW2 and ended the NAZI / Hitler ambition. Keep in mind Russia also lost a lot of their troops in stopping NAZI / Hitler ambition. There are a lot of histories regarding WW2. NAZI / Hitler on discovery, yesterday channel.

It will need a differentiation between bad leader and generalising of ordinary people/citizen. If you travel to Germany, Austria where Hitler were originally from you will see the people attitude especially the young generation about the war, Nazi/Hitler and what they have done to Jews people around the world. In fact, Germany, Austria are among the countries that have made the denial of Holocaust illegal. All of the people in these countries who lost and suffered the WW2 have learnt the hard lessons.

You could see different types of people, leaders around the world. There are bad good people, Just look at Russian people, how they contribute to the US / UK Economy. Many of wealthy Russian Aristocrats are immigrating to the US and the UK
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_Americans
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians_in_the_United_Kingdom
Not to mention, the new generation like the most renown people Valentina Shevchenko, Maria Sharapova, Anna Kournikova, Vitalik Buterin, Khabib Nurmagomedov, Islam Makhachev, etc. Other one Alexander Golovin, Natalia Osipova, Erik Bulatov Natalia Vodianova, Andrey Andreev. Are the Indonesians people do not want to see these people to live and make Indonesia as their home. Well a few are not, especially those who can not compete, those who are afraid of losing their monopoly businesses.

Russians who flee to Bali and around the world are avoiding the war. Put yourself on their shoes. Staying in Russia you might get picked up and be sent to the frontline line to fight the war that you yourself do not support.

Indonesian government has very little to lose as they pay for their residency. In the meanwhile, there is no benefit or social security they will get in return from the Indonesian Government.
 
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In your previous assertion you compared Russians with Nazi/Hitler, which does not make sense, as the Russian troops are in fact the key forces that ended up the WW2, stopping NAZI/Hitler expansion to the east and then defeating them. Russian Army stopped Nazi/Hitler expansion to the east, attacking them from the East and then invaded the east Berlin, Nazi / Hitler. If not because of the Russian army, Hitler would not be committing a suicide in a bunker in Berlin which marked up the end of WW2 and the NAZI / Hitler ambition. Keep in mind Russia also lost a lot of their troops in stopping NAZI / Hitler ambition. There are a lot of histories regarding WW2. NAZI / Hitler on discovery, yesterday channel.

It will need a differentiation between bad leader and generalising of ordinary people/citizen. If you travel to Germany, Austria where Hitler were originally from you will see the people attitude especially the young generation about the war, Nazi/Hitler and what they have done to Jews people around the world. In fact, Germany, Austria are among the countries that have made up the denial of Holocaust illegal. All of the people in these countries who lostand suffered the WW2 have learnt the hard lessons.

You could see different types of people, leaders around the world. There are bad good people, Just look at Russian people, how they contribute to the US / UK Economy. Many of wealthy Russian Aristocrats are immigrating to the US and the UK
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_Americans
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians_in_the_United_Kingdom
Not to mention, the new generation like the most renown people Valentina Shevchenko, Maria Sharapova, Anna Kournikova, Vitalik Buterin, Khabib Nurmagomedov, Islam Makhachev, etc. Other one Alexander Golovin, Natalia Osipova, Erik Bulatov Natalia Vodianova, Andrey Andreev. Are the Indonesians people do not want to see these people to live and make Indonesia as their home. Well a few are not, especially those who can not compete, those who afraid losing of their monopoly businesses.

Russians who flee to Bali and around the world are avoiding the war. Put yourself on their shoes. Staying in Russia you might get picked up and be sent to the frontline line to fight the war that you yourself do not support.

Indonesian government has very little to lose as they pay for their residency. In the meanwhile, there is no benefit or social security they will get in return from the Indonesian Government.


You should really study the history of Russia.
 
In your previous assertion you compared Russians with Nazi/Hitler, which does not make sense, as the Russian troops are in fact the key forces that ended up the WW2, stopping NAZI/Hitler expansion to the east and then defeating them. Russian Army stopped Nazi/Hitler expansion to the east, attacking them from the East and then invaded the east Berlin, Nazi / Hitler. If not because of the Russian army, Hitler would not be committing a suicide in a bunker in Berlin which marked up the end of WW2 and the NAZI / Hitler ambition. Keep in mind Russia also lost a lot of their troops in stopping NAZI / Hitler ambition. There are a lot of histories regarding WW2. NAZI / Hitler on discovery, yesterday channel.

It will need a differentiation between bad leader and generalising of ordinary people/citizen. If you travel to Germany, Austria where Hitler were originally from you will see the people attitude especially the young generation about the war, Nazi/Hitler and what they have done to Jews people around the world. In fact, Germany, Austria are among the countries that have made up the denial of Holocaust illegal. All of the people in these countries who lostand suffered the WW2 have learnt the hard lessons.

You could see different types of people, leaders around the world. There are bad good people, Just look at Russian people, how they contribute to the US / UK Economy. Many of wealthy Russian Aristocrats are immigrating to the US and the UK
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_Americans
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians_in_the_United_Kingdom
Not to mention, the new generation like the most renown people Valentina Shevchenko, Maria Sharapova, Anna Kournikova, Vitalik Buterin, Khabib Nurmagomedov, Islam Makhachev, etc. Other one Alexander Golovin, Natalia Osipova, Erik Bulatov Natalia Vodianova, Andrey Andreev. Are the Indonesians people do not want to see these people to live and make Indonesia as their home. Well a few are not, especially those who can not compete, those who afraid losing of their monopoly businesses.

Russians who flee to Bali and around the world are avoiding the war. Put yourself on their shoes. Staying in Russia you might get picked up and be sent to the frontline line to fight the war that you yourself do not support.

Indonesian government has very little to lose as they pay for their residency. In the meanwhile, there is no benefit or social security they will get in return from the Indonesian Government.
You are joking ya !,

normal russians or poor ,these are the guys who end up in the "meat grinder " current salaries for these guys ,

The monthly minimum wage in Russia as of January 1, 2023 amounted to 16,242 Russian rubles, or approximately 236 U.S. dollars. In the capital Moscow, it was set at 24,801 Russian rubles, or nearly 362 U.S. dollars.Jan 18, 2023

Have you seen the life of the Rusky "champagne charlies " new cars , scoots , villas , parties, fancy restaurants etc etc ,all that on a couple of hundred dollars a month , Really !!

While Ukranians are maimed and massacred , makes me sick !

Im finding it difficult to avoid these "Gangsters and molls" , some areas, canggu and the Bukit are like a mini moscow jeez .

But ya Dictators have always had supporters

Your kiddin ya !

Btw you dont work for Fancy Bear ,FSB , Do I need to get a food taster !
 
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In your previous assertion you compared Russians with Nazi/Hitler, which does not make sense, as the Russian troops are in fact the key forces that ended up the WW2, stopping NAZI/Hitler expansion to the east and then defeating them.
So since Russia was the "good guys" in a war 80 years ago they can't be the "bad guys" now? Absurd.

Hitler set out to conquer peaceful territories, employed wide scale genocide, and had the broad support of his countrymen. Now Putin has set out to conquer peaceful territories, employed wide scale genocide, and has the broad support of his countrymen.
 
So since Russia was the "good guys" in a war 80 years ago they can't be the "bad guys" now? Absurd.

Hitler set out to conquer peaceful territories, employed wide scale genocide, and had the broad support of his countrymen. Now Putin has set out to conquer peaceful territories, employed wide scale genocide, and has the broad support of his countrymen.
Is Putin the only Russian. Is Hitler the only German / Austrian ? The same thing with Benito Mussolini in Italy, Pol Pot the leader of Cambodia and the infamous Khmer Rouge ? It will need a differentiation between bad leader and generalising people/citizen.
What about other Russians that I have listed above who have emigrated to the US, UK and other part of the world ?
 
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employed wide scale genocide
You're exagerating a bit here.....

Look up the legal, UN definition of genocide please.

Yemen is a genocide (400.000 deaths up to today) but the subject never appears in western papers and nobody gives a shit.
Cambodia Khmer Rouge was a genocide, etc.... not Ukraine.

The extermination of the native Indian tribes by the western "conquerors" in what would become the USA was a genocide. Perpetrated by mostly European immigrants BTW.
 
You are joking ya !,

normal russians or poor ,these are the guys who end up in the "meat grinder " current salaries for these guys ,

The monthly minimum wage in Russia as of January 1, 2023 amounted to 16,242 Russian rubles, or approximately 236 U.S. dollars. In the capital Moscow, it was set at 24,801 Russian rubles, or nearly 362 U.S. dollars.Jan 18, 2023

Have you seen the life of the Rusky "champagne charlies " new cars , scoots , villas , parties, fancy restaurants etc etc ,all that on a couple of hundred dollars a month , Really !!

While Ukranians are maimed and massacred , makes me sick !

Im finding it difficult to avoid these "Gangsters and molls" , some areas, canggu and the Bukit are like a mini moscow jeez .

But ya Dictators have always had supporters

Your kiddin ya !

Btw you dont work for Fancy Bear ,FSB , Do I need to get a food taster !
You will need to get your fact right.
Russian Federation is one of the countries with rich natural resources.
Russian GDP for Capita is about 3x higher than Indonesia
Russian Federation 2021 US$12,194.8
Indonesia 2021 US$4,332.7
 
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You will need to get your fact right.
Russian Federation is one of the countries with rich natural resources.
Russian GDP for Capita is about 3x higher than Indonesia
Russian Federation 2021 US$12,194.8
Indonesia 2021 US$4,332.7
What is the average Russian salary in USD?


In 2021, over one quarter of the Russian population had an average monthly money income between 27 thousand and 45 thousand Russian rubles, or between 395 and 658 U.S. dollars (as of January 2023).Jan 16, 2023

choose whichever number you like , it aint enough to live like a millionaire in bali for extended periods ,I presume your aware of living costs here at the higher end .
 
You will need to get your fact right.
Russian Federation is one of the countries with rich natural resources.
Russian GDP for Capita is about 3x higher than Indonesia
Russian Federation 2021 US$12,194.8
Indonesia 2021 US$4,332.7
These numbers are GDP per capital. Does not represent the average salaries in a country, scoucer59 was talking about. But back to the topic .. migration. It's a dufficult topic. There are good and less good examples of migration throughout history.

Addition: just today, 11 march 23, a calculation is published, that migration/ refugees/asylum seekers is costing The Netherlands 24 billion euro per year.
 

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Recently in the news. So it seems the Instagram account does have effect….a motorbike riding course center on Bali would not be so bad though 🫣
It’s all a bit low hanging fruit.

Rough Translation:
DENPASAR, KOMPAS.com - Special Class I Immigration Officer TPI Ngurah Rai, Badung, Bali arrested two Russian citizens who opened an illegal motorbike riding course service.

This case was revealed after a video related to the activities of the two Russian citizens who were giving a bicycle riding course to fellow foreigners went viral on Instagram social media.

Head of Intelligence and Enforcement Division of the Special Class I Immigration Office of TPI Ngurah Rai, Gilang Danurdara, revealed that these two foreigners were arrested in South Kuta on Thursday 9 March.

"It all started with the information we got on the @moscow_cab_bali account where there was motorcycle training activity in the Gunung Payung area," Gilang Danurdara told reporters on Friday (3/10/2023). The Immigration intelligence team then monitored the location and found the two Russian citizens. After being examined, it turned out that these two Russian citizens had visas on arrival (VoA), so they were immediately secured for violating immigration (residence permits and) regulations.



This after the case of the Russian citizen who was deported for working as a photographer in Bali. In fact, he entered Indonesia using an investor visa to open a restaurant and property business. That really makes you wonder how he got that so easily.
 
That really makes you wonder how he got that so easily.
Actually, one thing that hasn't been discussed in this story is the role of agents. I don't believe that they could have been so open and blatant in what they're doing if somewhere along the line someone had not told them "Yeah sure, you can do whatever with your Kitas".
 
U.N. definition of genocide :
"To constitute genocide, there must be a proven intent on the part of perpetrators to physically destroy a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. Cultural destruction does not suffice, nor does an intention to simply disperse a group."

 
Actually, one thing that hasn't been discussed in this story is the role of agents. I don't believe that they could have been so open and blatant in what they're doing if somewhere along the line someone had not told them "Yeah sure, you can do whatever with your Kitas".
What Kitas?
 
You're exagerating a bit here.....

Look up the legal, UN definition of genocide please.
I have looked at the UN definition, and I am far from alone in considering it genocide: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_genocide_of_Ukrainians_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine_(2022–present)

It has not yet been 'proven' before international tribunals, but read the analysis there and see that both experts on the topic and several nations parliaments consider it genocide.
 
The whole "Russian tourists" thing is the hot topic in Bali right now, from local Balinese business owners to long-term expats, everyone's talking about them and rarely in a good light.

I think the crackdown on unruly foreigners is just beginning. Unfortunately, this could mean that all foreigners who stay in Indonesia long term (aka expats/immigrants), could come under the microscope. Just the other day I read that Bali immigration is going to review all 600 work KITASes.

I would make sure your visa/work paperwork is in order, and maybe wear a helmet and a shirt while riding a bike.
 

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