Last I heard from the law enforcement people was 30 juta for police, 100 juta for areas like AG. It is probably more money making than one thinks. Even though you pay, you can still be rejected with no refund. It is only a fee to get an application in but no guarantee of acceptance. Who you know or are related to helps a great deal also.Absolute power corrupts absolutely?
Many years ago I heard that it cost about 100 juta to join the police force at the entry level.
A preemptive payment for what is often abused and misconstrued as a license to steal under color of authority. Is it any wonder then that this misbehaviour is accepted as the norm? I suspect that fee is appreciably higher these days. The road to easy street is paved with less than honorable intentions. Wherever you go, there you are. The whole concept of "Honor among Thieves" reeks of naivete.
There are a few universities in Indonesia are operating like that. Fortunately there are still a few people with dedication and integrity to their profession.Basically, while having a degree in law he knew nothing about law. Oh, maybe that should have been a qualification. Guess not. Now he hangs a Notary sign up but it seems his only clients are his mother and some of her friends. Good thing his mother set him up with a doctor while she supports him and his family. Oh the image.
The irony is that on this and other forums, expats not infrequently point out ways to bribe their way past police or to get other services.The biggest reason for such wide spread corruption and why it is accepted is the people who give into it. If people stopped paying and started reporting, you would see a decline.
It is also the case that on this and other forums that contributers say don't be part of the problem. I pay a RT and Lurah for services I need. I offer, they don't ask. Everyone else I say no to simply by asking for an official reciept for any money they may ask for. Let's face it. Once you start paying they keep that in mind and each time becomes more. Don't be the problem.The irony is that on this and other forums, expats not infrequently point out ways to bribe their way past police or to get other services.
Well said and I know exactly what you mean. Sure, some might call it being a coward but I don't have the intention to have a big mouth here or to start Demos or whatnot. If the Indonesian people can't or don't want to fix their country then we, as foreigners, also have no deal in involving.You can't fight every battle, or at least I can't.
Last time I had to apply for (not renew) my automobile driver's license, I think I made around 10 trips to the police office. Not everyone has that kind of time to spend (I wouldn't now). I'm not the best driver, but I'm certainly not the worst either. I don't hit things that don't hit me first and I don't need any fucking help parking.
The system is designed to be absurdly difficult with everything from a simulator machine that you get no time to familiarize yourself with before being tested with to a car with a ragged out clutch that you are supposed to be able to instantly hill start (I've driven an automatic for around 15 years now). There were people there who had failed the driving portion itself (something like) 10 times. Hell, I want to say there was a guy on his 7th attempt at the simulator (but my memories tend to exaggerate).
It isn't hard to see how your average citizen does their math, unknown number of missed days of work/embarrassment vs flat fee and go home with their bit of plastic. If they are buying a car then they probably have the money to pay... (just to take away from my own story here, I think you can actually skip the driving bit of the test by going to a driving school now... I bet I know where some of the fees go though)
I'm not saying that I would encourage people to buy their licenses or that I think it is best for society or anything, but I really understand why they would and I'm not angry about it. They need that (arbitrarily withheld) bit of plastic to work or transport their family. You can't put all the onus for change on the backs of the individual citizens. Not everyone is strong enough to fight the system. Sometimes the system is so broken that you actually need to fix it before you can expect anyone to use it.
Somewhat unrelated, as a foreigner (here for some 13 years now) I don't feel I have a lot of right/standing to push for change on these things. And, I don't want to voluntarily be the tallest poppy. So, if I saw a petition or rally to improve the testing facilities at the local licensing office, I'd steer clear of it. Guess I'm admitting to a certain combination of laziness and cowardliness, but I can't afford to make problems for myself. I just can't do it to myself or my family. Guess I'm saying that if I talk about the need for progress and change in Indonesia... even I know it is only talk.
You said everything I would want to say about the subject. I can't think of one time an Indonesian has asked my opinion about anything, nor should they feel the need to.Well said and I know exactly what you mean. Sure, some might call it being a coward but I don't have the intention to have a big mouth here or to start Demos or whatnot. If the Indonesian people can't or don't want to fix their country then we, as foreigners, also have no deal in involving.
I feel like as outsiders it is not our job to involve in the business of other countries and on top of that they surely don't want us to involve. We just have to accept that maybe not everything is on par with our views or our "great" western democracies or we can just leave.