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Soon-to-be ex-WNI here, this forum has been a great resource for figuring out the intricacies of what to do after naturalization (reporting to the consulate, entering Indonesia as a non-citizen etc)

Looking forward to some fun discussions here!
 
I guess one question to ask yourself before becoming an ex WNI is which country would you prefer to live in if Trump and Prabowo win their respective elections and become presidents?
 
Soon-to-be ex-WNI here, this forum has been a great resource for figuring out the intricacies of what to do after naturalization (reporting to the consulate, entering Indonesia as a non-citizen etc)

Looking forward to some fun discussions here!
Welcome Flavus. Assuming you were born in Indonesia and had spent years in Indonesia, IMO even you are ex-WNI due to citizenship law, your home is still Indonesia.

Just in case you have not seen it, there is a thread in this forum to discuss this.
 
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Welcome Flavus. Assuming you are born in Indonesia and has spent years in Indonesia, IMO even you are ex-WNI due to citizenship law, your home is still Indonesia.

Just in case you have not seen it, there is a thread in this forum to discuss this.

Thank you! The ex-WNI threads are what brought me to this forum in the first place. Will probably drop by there and say hello too, not sure about the forum's etiquette about reactivating old threads so I thought I'll post here first.

I will likely always have sentimental attachments to Indonesia, but as someone born abroad (but WNI) and then moved there as a child, it's never felt like 100% home either. Classic Third Culture Kid symptoms 😅
 
I will likely always have sentimental attachments to Indonesia, but as someone born abroad (but WNI) and then moved there as a child, it's never felt like 100% home either. Classic Third Culture Kid symptoms 😅
Understandable...and welcome to the forum!
 
Welcome to the forum. I hope your voice adds to the diversity. It sounds like an interesting situation. I know many ex WNI and a few that regained citizenship in retirement or for business opportunities. Many exWNI I know are Chinese-Indonesian or LGBT and did not want to be Indonesian anymore.

If you were born abroad, did you always have dual citizenship and now you are choosing that over Indonesia? Since the dual citizenship law of 2006, some members have children or relatives approaching the necessity of choosing citizenship.

I know the United States is a much more powerful passport than Indonesia. What are your motivations to choose naturalization vs permanent resident?
 
Welcome to the forum. I hope your voice adds to the diversity. It sounds like an interesting situation. I know many ex WNI and a few that regained citizenship in retirement or for business opportunities. Many exWNI I know are Chinese-Indonesian or LGBT and did not want to be Indonesian anymore.
Thank you!

Shall we just say... I'm a member of several minorities, not necessarily the ones you mention.

I'm not entrepreneur-minded so probably would not be coming back for business. As for retirement ... a KITAP might be appealing but needing to be sponsored seams burdensome. We'll see, that is decades away
If you were born abroad, did you always have dual citizenship and now you are choosing that over Indonesia? Since the dual citizenship law of 2006, some members have children or relatives approaching the necessity of choosing citizenship.
Wasn't born in a jus soli country so that was not an option. My parents came back before I was of age to claim citizenship - and I turned 21 before the 2006 law anyway!
I know the United States is a much more powerful passport than Indonesia. What are your motivations to choose naturalization vs permanent resident?
Partly that. I like to travel (don't get much opportunity now with a small kid and pets), and also have to travel for work, and currently the latter is a major hassle. Especially to the Schengen area...

Several countries, mostly in the Western hemisphere, let US PRs travel visa free, but that's it.

The other thing is... PR status has to be renewed every 10 years, and while it is mostly a smooth process, I have heard horror stories of what happened if you need to, say, get a mortgage while renewing. Or lose your card (takes a few months to get a replacement).

That, and worrying it will get worse under a different administration, and also wanting to make my voice heard here (positions like school boards are elected but in most of the country only citizens can vote even in local elections), while feeling more out of touch with Indonesian politics over time.
 
Understandable...and welcome to the forum!
By the way ... just noticed from an old thread that, yikes, you lost WNI/ didn't have a passport anyway before you acquired US citizenship?


  • Interesting that the KJRI would make you stateless like that
  • Did that cause an issue during the naturalization process? since they normally ask for passports during the interview (though I think another ID is also fine)
  • Uh... that means you were stuck in the US until naturalizing? Did it impact your work / personal life?
 
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By the way ... just noticed from an old thread that, yikes, you lost WNI/ didn't have a passport anyway before you acquired US citizenship?


  • Interesting that the KJRI would make you stateless like that
  • Did that cause an issue during the naturalization process? since they normally ask for passports during the interview (though I think another ID is also fine)
  • Uh... that means you were stuck in the US until naturalizing? Did it impact your work / personal life?
The process has been so many years ago I vaguely remember it! I think I still had my other Indonesian passport (first one when I entered the US, I made a new one with KJRI before that one expires so I had an expired indo passport on hand. KJRI held hostage my 2nd passport that I tried to renew before going back to Indonesia. if that makes sense.

Yes, I was stuck in the US until naturalizing. Long story short, it did not impact my personal life that much, aside from I had quit from my job and finding out that KJRI wouldn't renew my passport, so I was scrambling to find a new job..that part actually ended well since I moved to a better company, better people, better paying job and stayed there for five years before I really finally going back to JKT.

The attitude I got from KJRI was the first experience of Indonesia's resentment of ex-WNI...little passive aggressive comments like "Ahhh you're already here in the US, why go back to Indonesia...just stay in the US lahh" to lightly mocking "Waah kok pake jadi citizen amrik segala"...etc. Many times it's the tone the way they say it combined with the smile or the smirk or the look. I swear many of these people are champion in being passive aggressiveness.

That was many years ago...I think (and I hope) the attitude is slightly better now as the government realizes (?) there are actually tons of ex-wnis out there.
 
The attitude I got from KJRI was the first experience of Indonesia's resentment of ex-WNI...little passive aggressive comments like "Ahhh you're already here in the US, why go back to Indonesia...just stay in the US lahh" to lightly mocking "Waah kok pake jadi citizen amrik segala"...etc. Many times it's the tone the way they say it combined with the smile or the smirk or the look. I swear many of these people are champion in being passive aggressiveness.
Ugh... but you were not even a US citizen, they literally forced you into becoming one.

Kind of surprising, and disappointing and technically illegal I think (since possessing a GC is proof you're not a US citizen, and they can ask you for stronger proof if they want, but didn't ).

Glad it turned out OK for you, and I certainly am glad I started naturalization before I have to renew my Indonesian passport again after this
 
Ugh... but you were not even a US citizen, they literally forced you into becoming one.

Kind of surprising, and disappointing and technically illegal I think (since possessing a GC is proof you're not a US citizen, and they can ask you for stronger proof if they want, but didn't ).

Glad it turned out OK for you, and I certainly am glad I started naturalization before I have to renew my Indonesian passport again after this
Well it is what it is for sure, should I have done things differently, perhaps...but things happen the way they are for a reason for sure (whatever that might be) so I just accept/be at peace with it and hope my next KITAP report date will be smooth!
 

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