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getting married in java or europe

marie

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Hi there.

I already googled a lot and talked to the embassy but I am still confused, so maybe someone of you can help me:

I am from Austria and my boyfriend is from Indonesia (Java). Currently, both of us are in Indonesia, I will leave in August. We want to get married and live together in Europe (perhaps Germany).

So – is it easier/better to get married in Java or in Europe?

So far, I know what kind of documents we need (he has no passport yet, they rejected it the last time) and that we would have to apply for a “D Visa” and residence permit. We would like to get married in his village in java, but we have to go back to bali this month and I think the whole process of “going to the embassy in jakarta-translate and legalise all documents-go back to bali and apply for a new passport-travel back to java, convert to islam and get married-translate and legalise all documents back in Europe” would be quite time consuming.

So, would you recommend getting married in Europe? Would it have any consequences for us? And does anyone have further information regarding the D visa and residence permit? Since I am from Austria I would like to marry in Austria together with my family rather than in Germany, but I think the visa would be only valid for Germany?

As you can see, I am pretty confused and id like to have a clear brain when going to the embassy. I really hope you can give me some advice based on your experience.

Thanks a lot and best wishes,

Marie
 

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I would suggest he gets a passport first. Then worry about the rest later. Bit hard to marry in Europe if he cannot get there. And getting the visa will also be difficult. Even if you are married.
 

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the kantor imigrasi in jakarta rejected the passport since he is from bandung but working in bali. so we will try to get one in bali. i know that the whole visa process is super complicated, but why difficult?
 

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As Snpark says, getting the passport must be first priority but then there are tough issues to deal with regarding German immigration rules. In the present climate, heated because of the sensitive issues of refugees "flooding" into Europe, I can imagine that rules may have tightened.

It would be an advantage if your boyfriend has recognized, specialist skills.

I see that a D visa must be obtained before arriving in Germany and that Germany national visa applications may take weeks up to several months to process. You may already have this link but it deals with D visa issues. https://visaguide.world/europe/germany-visa/long-stay/

I am not sure how compassionate Germany is with a foreign spouse being allowed to enter. And then there will be, I imagine based on Australian processes, a need to satisfy the authorities that the marriage is genuine and not simply a means to get a German visa. To that end begin to make a file of intimate correspondence, photographs of outings together and if possible names of friends who might testify that the relationship is genuine.

Australia does not like people arriving on one type of visa and then marrying and applying for residence. The costs for visa applications made in Australian are much higher than if applying outside but has the advantage you're being together while the application is processed.

I wonder if there are no German websites where you might get some insight into the manner in which German immigration authorities may respond if you marry in Indonesia and then apply for a visa or marry in Germany and then seek residence.

In the meantime you might brace yourself for a long and complicated journey and face the possibility that a visa for Germany may not be obtainable.

Good luck. ( I am reminded of a couple I knew well in Melbourne. The man was a Hungarian refugee and the woman an Australian. She actually went to live in the refugee camp while applying for residence through the Australian embassy in London. Eventually it worked out so have courage.)
 

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I think if the thread is read it is clear that I am not confusing Austria with Australia.'
 

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So, would you recommend getting married in Europe? Would it have any consequences for us? And does anyone have further information regarding the D visa and residence permit?
Hi marie, welcome to the forum!

I can't speak for the requirements in Germany/Austria. I imagine it will be simpler than in Indonesia, mostly because very few bureaucratic things are simple in Indonesia.

As for the requirements of the Indonesian government, your future husband has to register his marriage with the Indonesian embassy at the country he is got married at. He should get a letter of marriage from them (Surat Keterangan Menikah).

Then, he has to register it at the civil registry (Catatan Sipil) in Indonesia when he returns. This should be done within 30 days of his first return to Indonesia.

Good luck, and congratulations on your upcoming wedding.
 

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Hi Marie,

You asked about consequences. Well, there are some attention points:
  • If you marry in Austria, you would obviously need a translator being present and you're supposed to live where you marry. Obviously your friends and family could be present and all your administration and civil registration is concentrated in one place.
  • Hopefully that would never happen, but if things would go sour, you would have a major advantage with the European law system.
  • In Indonesia, a religious marriage has to take place first, and you know both partners should have the same religion (and this is a rather serious requirement). So since this is not the case, consider if you're willing to do a conversion esp. if you plan to live in Europe. You could always just have a ceremony in the country where you don't marry of course.
  • In Europe, Germany and Belgium are some of the easier countries concerning getting married and obtaining permits for non-EU citizens. But I'm quite sure you can't easily 'combine' the D Visa with the marriage; then your only options are to wed before, or get the C Visa (=3 month Schengen visa) for your wedding in Europe. After which he would have to leave the EU. Also, for a D Visa you would need to live in that particular European country, arrange all administration as insurance, and prove your financial situation won't be a hindrance when you get him over.
Generally speaking, I would always try to wed in the country where I would plan to live and work. And if not possible, as a good second, where my citizenship is from.

Good luck!

PS: What was the reason his RI passport was refused?
 
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I would suggest he gets a passport first.
This could be a big issue. I've only seen people being refused if they suspect something illegal. Possibly that the person would become a non registered and non official TKI (foreign worker). Or even worse...
 

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thank you very much everyone.

according to the german embassy it should be possible for him to come to europe with the D visa, get married there and then apply for the residence permit. i would have to return to europe alone and prepare everything for his visa.

well, let´s say he does not look like an ordinary guy...punk style, tattoos, plugs ... dont know if it maybe influenced the decision. after asking him where he wants to travel to and what company he is working for (none, currently) they said he should go to his village or back to bali. since he is neither working nor living in jakarta they won't give him the passport here.
 

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You should forget all about visas and Germany and the rest. First thing he needs is a passport. Sounds like that is going to be a huge problem for you and him. If I were you I would focus on that before you even start planning weddings and flights to Europe.
 

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On a side note, be careful. No offense but marrying an unemployed tattooed punk from Bali has "disaster" written all over it.
I am sure you will tell us he loves you and we are all wrong, but many of us have been here for decades and seen this all before.
Be extremely careful. Balinese men are infamous for "dating" western women - there are thousands of forums, videos and even TV shows dedicated to this scam. They even have a nickname "Kuta Cowboys"

Google it.
 

marie

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i really appreciate your honesty, thanks. I already know the movie and the story about the kuta cowboys. it took me a long time to trust him and we did have our problems in the past.

I did not say he is not working but I don´t want to talk about his job situation, I hope you understand. But I am aware of the situation in Kuta.

I guess - in every relationship - all you can do is to trust. that´s what I´m doing. if there is anything else to find out about his true intentions let me know:)

But you are right, first we should focus on the passport, and then about the rest.
 

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Asking him where he wants to travel to and what company he is working for (none, currently) they said he should go to his village or back to bali. since he is neither working nor living in jakarta they won't give him the passport here.
Your words?! You the one said he's not working?
Anyway yes passport first
 

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