Ex Wni to be allowed to work, open up business and own property

erhizzle

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interesting news. especially on the last paragraph.


Sementara itu, pada kesempatan yang berbeda, Direktur Izin Tinggal Keimigrasian, Pramella Yunidar Pasaribu menerangkan bahwa Ditjen Imigrasi berperan untuk memberika layanan visa dan izin tinggal atas kebijakan yang diambil kepada Eks-WNI yang akan tinggal kembali di Indonesia. Tujuannya yakni agar dapat turut berperan sebagai fasilitator pembangunan ekonomi nasional.

“Mekanismenya dengan mengajukan layanan Dokumen Keimigrasian pada layanan izin tinggal, sebagaimana dimaksud dalam UU No 6 Tahun 2011 dan PP No. 31 Tahun 2013 untuk dapat diberikan izin tinggal sebagai Eks-WNI dengan segala kemudahannya. Eks-WNI mendapat keleluasaan bekerja serta berusaha sesuai peraturan perundangan sebagai pemegang ITAP. Mereka juga akan mendapat kesempatan tinggal di Indonesia lebih lama dan memperoleh kesempatan untuk memiliki properti, sesuai peraturan perundangan. Inilah peranan strategis imigrasi sebagai fasilitator pembangunan ekonomi nasional,” pungkas Pramella.”
 

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All of this is a step in the right direction but a thought has popped in my head.

A lot has been made about "Ex-WNIs" during various statements made about immigration matters by the minister and other officials. So a distinction has been made here in the sense that "Exes" are now a category.

At the same time I've never gotten a sense that this distinction has actually translated into something practical. I'm now in the middle of a process to change to a spouse-sponsored Kitas. When I was originally making enquiries, I said I am an "Ex" and would like to apply for a stay permit based on that basis. Then I'm asked who would be my sponsor, I said my wife. At which point it becomes a conversation about applying for a spouse-sponsored Kitas rather than for something based on my ex-WNI status.

At no point during the current process or any previous processes did my "Ex" status has come into play and I have not seen any "kemudahan" that was mentioned in the article. Maybe I'm fussing a little too much, but if the distinction between a WNA and an "Ex" is suppose to make a difference (ie. make things easier) is it wrong to feel that, having the documents to prove I'm an "Ex", I should be able to get a stay permit based on my "Ex" rather than my WNA status?

I know @dannyboy and @Banana72 are on Kitaps but the basis for this Kitap seems to be based on who their sponsor is rather than their "Ex" status.

If we are going strictly by PP 31/2013 referred to in the above article, it states that a Kitap can be given to an Ex-WNI (Pasal 152). No reference is made to a Kitas being given for an Ex-WNI (Pasal 141). This implies it is possible for an Ex-WNI to be immediately granted a Kitap.

 

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interesting news. especially on the last paragraph.


Sementara itu, pada kesempatan yang berbeda, Direktur Izin Tinggal Keimigrasian, Pramella Yunidar Pasaribu menerangkan bahwa Ditjen Imigrasi berperan untuk memberika layanan visa dan izin tinggal atas kebijakan yang diambil kepada Eks-WNI yang akan tinggal kembali di Indonesia. Tujuannya yakni agar dapat turut berperan sebagai fasilitator pembangunan ekonomi nasional.

“Mekanismenya dengan mengajukan layanan Dokumen Keimigrasian pada layanan izin tinggal, sebagaimana dimaksud dalam UU No 6 Tahun 2011 dan PP No. 31 Tahun 2013 untuk dapat diberikan izin tinggal sebagai Eks-WNI dengan segala kemudahannya. Eks-WNI mendapat keleluasaan bekerja serta berusaha sesuai peraturan perundangan sebagai pemegang ITAP. Mereka juga akan mendapat kesempatan tinggal di Indonesia lebih lama dan memperoleh kesempatan untuk memiliki properti, sesuai peraturan perundangan. Inilah peranan strategis imigrasi sebagai fasilitator pembangunan ekonomi nasional,” pungkas Pramella.”

I wouldn't read much into this. There are the constant weasel words "sesuai peraturan perundangan" in there. And currently those are interpreted as must have IMTA to work at a PT for work, and also to own some Hak Pakai titles in terms of owning property. Nothing new here, and not a surprise either, since Imigrasi merely implements the laws as they are.
 

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I wouldn't read much into this. There are the constant weasel words "sesuai peraturan perundangan" in there. And currently those are interpreted as must have IMTA to work at a PT for work, and also to own some Hak Pakai titles in terms of owning property. Nothing new here, and not a surprise either, since Imigrasi merely implements the laws as they are.
i think you are right. that’s disappointing :(
 

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All of this is a step in the right direction but a thought has popped in my head.

A lot has been made about "Ex-WNIs" during various statements made about immigration matters by the minister and other officials. So a distinction has been made here in the sense that "Exes" are now a category.

At the same time I've never gotten a sense that this distinction has actually translated into something practical. I'm now in the middle of a process to change to a spouse-sponsored Kitas. When I was originally making enquiries, I said I am an "Ex" and would like to apply for a stay permit based on that basis. Then I'm asked who would be my sponsor, I said my wife. At which point it becomes a conversation about applying for a spouse-sponsored Kitas rather than for something based on my ex-WNI status.

At no point during the current process or any previous processes did my "Ex" status has come into play and I have not seen any "kemudahan" that was mentioned in the article. Maybe I'm fussing a little too much, but if the distinction between a WNA and an "Ex" is suppose to make a difference (ie. make things easier) is it wrong to feel that, having the documents to prove I'm an "Ex", I should be able to get a stay permit based on my "Ex" rather than my WNA status?

I know @dannyboy and @Banana72 are on Kitaps but the basis for this Kitap seems to be based on who their sponsor is rather than their "Ex" status.

If we are going strictly by PP 31/2013 referred to in the above article, it states that a Kitap can be given to an Ex-WNI (Pasal 152). No reference is made to a Kitas being given for an Ex-WNI (Pasal 141). This implies it is possible for an Ex-WNI to be immediately granted a Kitap.

Indeed, it seems to be following the sponsor. As an ex-WNI, you simply have more options for sponsors (WNI parents for instance, I believe) as opposed to a regular WNA.
 

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All of this is a step in the right direction but a thought has popped in my head.

A lot has been made about "Ex-WNIs" during various statements made about immigration matters by the minister and other officials. So a distinction has been made here in the sense that "Exes" are now a category.

At the same time I've never gotten a sense that this distinction has actually translated into something practical. I'm now in the middle of a process to change to a spouse-sponsored Kitas. When I was originally making enquiries, I said I am an "Ex" and would like to apply for a stay permit based on that basis. Then I'm asked who would be my sponsor, I said my wife. At which point it becomes a conversation about applying for a spouse-sponsored Kitas rather than for something based on my ex-WNI status.

At no point during the current process or any previous processes did my "Ex" status has come into play and I have not seen any "kemudahan" that was mentioned in the article. Maybe I'm fussing a little too much, but if the distinction between a WNA and an "Ex" is suppose to make a difference (ie. make things easier) is it wrong to feel that, having the documents to prove I'm an "Ex", I should be able to get a stay permit based on my "Ex" rather than my WNA status?

I know @dannyboy and @Banana72 are on Kitaps but the basis for this Kitap seems to be based on who their sponsor is rather than their "Ex" status.

If we are going strictly by PP 31/2013 referred to in the above article, it states that a Kitap can be given to an Ex-WNI (Pasal 152). No reference is made to a Kitas being given for an Ex-WNI (Pasal 141). This implies it is possible for an Ex-WNI to be immediately granted a Kitap.

Yes, you are correct. My KITAS to KITAP conversion is based on the fact that I have WNI spouse. As far as I know, nowhere does my Ex status came to play. So I wouldn't read too much into this unless they release new PP to support the new wording int the UU
 

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Mine was 'ikut orang tua kandung warga negara indonesia'. So even though it is 'sponsor-based' it is still based on the fact that it was an ex-wni kitap in my opinion.
 

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Mine was 'ikut orang tua kandung warga negara indonesia'. So even though it is 'sponsor-based' it is still based on the fact that it was an ex-wni kitap in my opinion.

For someone who could find another one such as brothers, sisters, cousins, close relatives, friends (?) etc is it not better to use them as a sponsor rather than parents. Just in case the parents pass away earlier than you, you will be busy again with all the paperworks changing your sponsor. Just my thought.

Of course everything could happen in life. But the likelihood is something to do with average life expectancy.
 

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For someone who could find another one such as brothers, sisters, cousins, close relatives, friends (?) etc is it not better to use them as a sponsor rather than parents. Just in case the parents pass away earlier than you, you will be busy again with all the paperworks changing your sponsor. Just my thought.

Of course everything could happen in life. But the likelihood is something to do with average life expectancy.
Well yes... long story short, at the time of my first KITAP...I didn't know cousin, friends, etc was an option. It was a new thing for me... I do have one or two (WNI) friends, maybe more acquaintance that I wouldn't consider them to be my sponsor (and also...without revealing too much, I don't get along with my sibling, so he would be the last person on earth that I would ask for such help). I actually have been thinking about this too. I did talk to an agent about this and the most logical way is next time my renewal is up, is to have my wife sponsor me instead (I wasn't married yet first time i applied for my kitap).
 

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I understand that UU No 6 Tahun 2011 dan PP No. 31 Tahun 2013 is already there since 2011/2013 respectively.
Anyone come to Indonesia in need of ITAS/ITAP will need a sponsor. Apart from the more flexibility of choosing the sponsor, there has not been anyone could confirm to get ITAS/ITAP using the Ex-WNI route.
So there is not anything new comes out from this press conference.
When the headlines "Immigration make it easier for Ex-WNI ...." there must be something improved from previous version or in the pipeline.
The only things that I see here is that the second home Visa which is applicable to all foreign / non - Indonesian Citizen. This is hardly called an improvement is it ??
 
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