Ex Wni to be allowed to work, open up business and own property

[erhizzle]

interesting news. especially on the last paragraph.

Imigrasi Permudah Layanan untuk Orang Asing Eks-WNI dan Anak Berkewarganegaraan Ganda - Direktorat Jenderal Imigrasi

Rabu, 29 Juni 2022 Pukul 10.00 WIB Penulis: Ajeng Rahma Safitri Editor: Muhammad Fijar Sulistyo Menteri Hukum dan HAM, Yasonna H. Laoly hadiri acara diseminasi kebijakan kewarganegaraan dan keimigrasian Indonesia terbaru di Konsulat Jenderal Republik Indonesia (KJRI) San Fransisco, Amerika...

www.imigrasi.go.id

“
Sementara itu, pada kesempatan yang berbeda, Direktur Izin Tinggal Keimigrasian, Pramella Yunidar Pasaribu menerangkan bahwa Ditjen Imigrasi berperan untuk memberika layanan visa dan izin tinggal atas kebijakan yang diambil kepada Eks-WNI yang akan tinggal kembali di Indonesia. Tujuannya yakni agar dapat turut berperan sebagai fasilitator pembangunan ekonomi nasional.

“Mekanismenya dengan mengajukan layanan Dokumen Keimigrasian pada layanan izin tinggal, sebagaimana dimaksud dalam UU No 6 Tahun 2011 dan PP No. 31 Tahun 2013 untuk dapat diberikan izin tinggal sebagai Eks-WNI dengan segala kemudahannya. Eks-WNI mendapat keleluasaan bekerja serta berusaha sesuai peraturan perundangan sebagai pemegang ITAP. Mereka juga akan mendapat kesempatan tinggal di Indonesia lebih lama dan memperoleh kesempatan untuk memiliki properti, sesuai peraturan perundangan. Inilah peranan strategis imigrasi sebagai fasilitator pembangunan ekonomi nasional,” pungkas Pramella.”

 

[SamR]

All of this is a step in the right direction but a thought has popped in my head.

A lot has been made about "Ex-WNIs" during various statements made about immigration matters by the minister and other officials. So a distinction has been made here in the sense that "Exes" are now a category.

At the same time I've never gotten a sense that this distinction has actually translated into something practical. I'm now in the middle of a process to change to a spouse-sponsored Kitas. When I was originally making enquiries, I said I am an "Ex" and would like to apply for a stay permit based on that basis. Then I'm asked who would be my sponsor, I said my wife. At which point it becomes a conversation about applying for a spouse-sponsored Kitas rather than for something based on my ex-WNI status.

At no point during the current process or any previous processes did my "Ex" status has come into play and I have not seen any "kemudahan" that was mentioned in the article. Maybe I'm fussing a little too much, but if the distinction between a WNA and an "Ex" is suppose to make a difference (ie. make things easier) is it wrong to feel that, having the documents to prove I'm an "Ex", I should be able to get a stay permit based on my "Ex" rather than my WNA status?

I know @dannyboy and @Banana72 are on Kitaps but the basis for this Kitap seems to be based on who their sponsor is rather than their "Ex" status.

If we are going strictly by PP 31/2013 referred to in the above article, it states that a Kitap can be given to an Ex-WNI (Pasal 152). No reference is made to a Kitas being given for an Ex-WNI (Pasal 141). This implies it is possible for an Ex-WNI to be immediately granted a Kitap.

https://peraturan.go.id/common/dokumen/ln/2013/pp31-2013bt.pdf

 

[dafluff]

interesting news. especially on the last paragraph.

Imigrasi Permudah Layanan untuk Orang Asing Eks-WNI dan Anak Berkewarganegaraan Ganda - Direktorat Jenderal Imigrasi

Rabu, 29 Juni 2022 Pukul 10.00 WIB Penulis: Ajeng Rahma Safitri Editor: Muhammad Fijar Sulistyo Menteri Hukum dan HAM, Yasonna H. Laoly hadiri acara diseminasi kebijakan kewarganegaraan dan keimigrasian Indonesia terbaru di Konsulat Jenderal Republik Indonesia (KJRI) San Fransisco, Amerika...

www.imigrasi.go.id

“
Sementara itu, pada kesempatan yang berbeda, Direktur Izin Tinggal Keimigrasian, Pramella Yunidar Pasaribu menerangkan bahwa Ditjen Imigrasi berperan untuk memberika layanan visa dan izin tinggal atas kebijakan yang diambil kepada Eks-WNI yang akan tinggal kembali di Indonesia. Tujuannya yakni agar dapat turut berperan sebagai fasilitator pembangunan ekonomi nasional.

“Mekanismenya dengan mengajukan layanan Dokumen Keimigrasian pada layanan izin tinggal, sebagaimana dimaksud dalam UU No 6 Tahun 2011 dan PP No. 31 Tahun 2013 untuk dapat diberikan izin tinggal sebagai Eks-WNI dengan segala kemudahannya. Eks-WNI mendapat keleluasaan bekerja serta berusaha sesuai peraturan perundangan sebagai pemegang ITAP. Mereka juga akan mendapat kesempatan tinggal di Indonesia lebih lama dan memperoleh kesempatan untuk memiliki properti, sesuai peraturan perundangan. Inilah peranan strategis imigrasi sebagai fasilitator pembangunan ekonomi nasional,” pungkas Pramella.”

I wouldn't read much into this. There are the constant weasel words "sesuai peraturan perundangan" in there. And currently those are interpreted as must have IMTA to work at a PT for work, and also to own some Hak Pakai titles in terms of owning property. Nothing new here, and not a surprise either, since Imigrasi merely implements the laws as they are.

 

[erhizzle]

I wouldn't read much into this. There are the constant weasel words "sesuai peraturan perundangan" in there. And currently those are interpreted as must have IMTA to work at a PT for work, and also to own some Hak Pakai titles in terms of owning property. Nothing new here, and not a surprise either, since Imigrasi merely implements the laws as they are.

i think you are right. that’s disappointing

 

[El_Goretto]

All of this is a step in the right direction but a thought has popped in my head.

A lot has been made about "Ex-WNIs" during various statements made about immigration matters by the minister and other officials. So a distinction has been made here in the sense that "Exes" are now a category.

At the same time I've never gotten a sense that this distinction has actually translated into something practical. I'm now in the middle of a process to change to a spouse-sponsored Kitas. When I was originally making enquiries, I said I am an "Ex" and would like to apply for a stay permit based on that basis. Then I'm asked who would be my sponsor, I said my wife. At which point it becomes a conversation about applying for a spouse-sponsored Kitas rather than for something based on my ex-WNI status.

At no point during the current process or any previous processes did my "Ex" status has come into play and I have not seen any "kemudahan" that was mentioned in the article. Maybe I'm fussing a little too much, but if the distinction between a WNA and an "Ex" is suppose to make a difference (ie. make things easier) is it wrong to feel that, having the documents to prove I'm an "Ex", I should be able to get a stay permit based on my "Ex" rather than my WNA status?

I know @dannyboy and @Banana72 are on Kitaps but the basis for this Kitap seems to be based on who their sponsor is rather than their "Ex" status.

If we are going strictly by PP 31/2013 referred to in the above article, it states that a Kitap can be given to an Ex-WNI (Pasal 152). No reference is made to a Kitas being given for an Ex-WNI (Pasal 141). This implies it is possible for an Ex-WNI to be immediately granted a Kitap.

https://peraturan.go.id/common/dokumen/ln/2013/pp31-2013bt.pdf

Indeed, it seems to be following the sponsor. As an ex-WNI, you simply have more options for sponsors (WNI parents for instance, I believe) as opposed to a regular WNA.

 

[dannyboy]

All of this is a step in the right direction but a thought has popped in my head.

A lot has been made about "Ex-WNIs" during various statements made about immigration matters by the minister and other officials. So a distinction has been made here in the sense that "Exes" are now a category.

At the same time I've never gotten a sense that this distinction has actually translated into something practical. I'm now in the middle of a process to change to a spouse-sponsored Kitas. When I was originally making enquiries, I said I am an "Ex" and would like to apply for a stay permit based on that basis. Then I'm asked who would be my sponsor, I said my wife. At which point it becomes a conversation about applying for a spouse-sponsored Kitas rather than for something based on my ex-WNI status.

At no point during the current process or any previous processes did my "Ex" status has come into play and I have not seen any "kemudahan" that was mentioned in the article. Maybe I'm fussing a little too much, but if the distinction between a WNA and an "Ex" is suppose to make a difference (ie. make things easier) is it wrong to feel that, having the documents to prove I'm an "Ex", I should be able to get a stay permit based on my "Ex" rather than my WNA status?

I know @dannyboy and @Banana72 are on Kitaps but the basis for this Kitap seems to be based on who their sponsor is rather than their "Ex" status.

If we are going strictly by PP 31/2013 referred to in the above article, it states that a Kitap can be given to an Ex-WNI (Pasal 152). No reference is made to a Kitas being given for an Ex-WNI (Pasal 141). This implies it is possible for an Ex-WNI to be immediately granted a Kitap.

https://peraturan.go.id/common/dokumen/ln/2013/pp31-2013bt.pdf

Yes, you are correct. My KITAS to KITAP conversion is based on the fact that I have WNI spouse. As far as I know, nowhere does my Ex status came to play. So I wouldn't read too much into this unless they release new PP to support the new wording int the UU

 

[Banana72]

Mine was 'ikut orang tua kandung warga negara indonesia'. So even though it is 'sponsor-based' it is still based on the fact that it was an ex-wni kitap in my opinion.

 

[pantaiema]

Mine was 'ikut orang tua kandung warga negara indonesia'. So even though it is 'sponsor-based' it is still based on the fact that it was an ex-wni kitap in my opinion.

For someone who could find another one such as brothers, sisters, cousins, close relatives, friends (?) etc is it not better to use them as a sponsor rather than parents. Just in case the parents pass away earlier than you, you will be busy again with all the paperworks changing your sponsor. Just my thought.

Of course everything could happen in life. But the likelihood is something to do with average life expectancy.

 

[Banana72]

For someone who could find another one such as brothers, sisters, cousins, close relatives, friends (?) etc is it not better to use them as a sponsor rather than parents. Just in case the parents pass away earlier than you, you will be busy again with all the paperworks changing your sponsor. Just my thought.

Of course everything could happen in life. But the likelihood is something to do with average life expectancy.

Well yes... long story short, at the time of my first KITAP...I didn't know cousin, friends, etc was an option. It was a new thing for me... I do have one or two (WNI) friends, maybe more acquaintance that I wouldn't consider them to be my sponsor (and also...without revealing too much, I don't get along with my sibling, so he would be the last person on earth that I would ask for such help). I actually have been thinking about this too. I did talk to an agent about this and the most logical way is next time my renewal is up, is to have my wife sponsor me instead (I wasn't married yet first time i applied for my kitap).

 

[pantaiema]

I understand that UU No 6 Tahun 2011 dan PP No. 31 Tahun 2013 is already there since 2011/2013 respectively.
Anyone come to Indonesia in need of ITAS/ITAP will need a sponsor. Apart from the more flexibility of choosing the sponsor, there has not been anyone could confirm to get ITAS/ITAP using the Ex-WNI route.
So there is not anything new comes out from this press conference.
When the headlines "Immigration make it easier for Ex-WNI ...." there must be something improved from previous version or in the pipeline.
The only things that I see here is that the second home Visa which is applicable to all foreign / non - Indonesian Citizen. This is hardly called an improvement is it ??

 

[SamR]

INBISNIS.ID, JAKARTA – Properti di Indonesia semakin ramai dibidik warga negara asing (WNA). Hal ini dipicu sejumlah relaksasi yang diberikan pemerintah melalui Undang-Undang No.6 Tahun 2023 tentang Cipta Kerja.

Dikutip dari bisnis.com, berdasarkan data terbaru Kementerian Agraria dan Tata Ruang/ Badan Pertanahan Nasional (ATR/BPN) kepemilikan properti pada periode 2017-2023 mencapai 131 properti.

Adapun, pada 2020-2019 kepemilikan properti oleh WNA hanya mencapai 52 properti. Namun, setelah UU Cipta Kerja ditetapkan atau periode 2020-2023 ada peningkatan sebanyak 52 persen atau sebanyak 79 bidang.

Baca juga :Kavling Pantai Pasir Putih, Ramaikan Geliat Bisnis Property di Labuan Bajo

Direktur Jenderal Penetapan Hak dan Pendaftaran Tanah (Dirjen PHPT) Kementerian ATR/BPN, Suyus Windayana, mengatakan aturan mengenai hunian asing sebelumnya diatur dalam PP No.103 Tahun 2015 tentang Pemilikan Rumah Tempat Tinggal atau Hunian Oleh Orang Asing yang Berkedudukan di Inonesia.

“Aturan sebelum UU Cipta kerja itu harus memiliki KITAS/KITAP [Kartu Izin Tinggal Tetap/Terbatas]. Adanya kemudahan dalam hal kepemilikan hunian untuk orang asing, sehingga orang asing cukup melampirkan dokumen keimigrasian berupa visa, paspor, atau izin tinggal,” kata Suyus di Jakarta, Selasa (16/5/2023).

Baca juga :Kavling Long Beach Sumba, Siap Menjemput Investor di Tahun 2023

Suyus menerangkan bahwa terobosan kebijakan tersebut mendukung program Indonesia sebagai negara Second Home Visa bagi orang asing dan keluarganya.

Aturan sebelumnya pun mengatur kepemilikan hunian oleh warga asing di RI hanya berlaku pada properti berstatus tanah Hak Pakai, sedangkan setelah adanya UU Cipta Kerja, diberikan hak kepemilikan satuan rumah susun bagi rusun yang berdiri di atas Hak Guna Bangunan (HGB).

“Ketentuan terkait harga sebelum UU Cipta Kerja, harga lebih tinggi, sedangkan dengan adanya penyesuaian pada daftar harga minimal pembelian tunggal atau satuan rusun oleh orang asing dengan daya beli saat ini, sebagian besar menjadi lebih rendah,” ujarnya.

Baca juga :INBISNIS Property, Menjadikan Properti Anda Lebih Berharga

Adapun, ketentuan terkait batasan harga rumah tapak mulanya Rp10 miliar untuk DKI Jakarta menjadi Rp5 miliar. Sementara, batasan harga rumah tapak di Banten, Jawa Barat, DI Yogyakarta, Jawa Timur dan Bali tidak mengalami perubahan yakni dengan batasan Rp5 miliar.
Hal ini berdasarkan yang dikutip media INBISNIS.ID, Rabu (24/5/2023).

Perubahan lainnya yakni adanya kebijakan khusus yang mempermudah kepemilikan properti bagi diaspora. Kemudahan yang ditawarkan yakni dalam hal persyaratan.

“Kemudahan yang diberikan antara lain batasan harga propertinya sebesar 75 persen dari batasan harga minimal rumah tunggal/sarusun,” ujarnya.

Untuk diketahui, aturan pelaksana hunian bagi WNA diterbitkan melalui Peraturan Pemerintah No.18/2021 dan Permen ATR/BPN No.18/2021 yang kemudian diganti dengan Kepmen ATR/KBPN No.1241/SK/HK.02/IX/2022 tentang perolehan dan harga rumah tempat tinggal/hunian untuk orang asing.

“Rumah tempat tinggal atau hunian yang diperoleh orang asing sebelum keputusan ini mulai berlaku, memedomani ketentuan sebelum berlakunya keputusan ini,” ungkapnya.

From: https://inbisnis.id/kepemilikan-properti-warga-asing-di-ri-naik-52-persen-pada-periode-2020-2023/

This article was posted in the Visa section of the forum but might contain some things of interest for Jakartan exes here especially when looking to own a home. WNAs are eligible to buy a house if its price is Rp. 5 billion whereas before, the value is Rp. 10 billion.

 

[snpark]

Who makes the valuation?
Value of house or land
House has no value. It's concrete shell
Value is the land and the contents of the house

 

[centurion]

Who makes the valuation?
Value of house or land
House has no value. It's concrete shell
Value is the land and the contents of the house

I suppose the tax value would be the relevant one (land value+object value on it).

 

[flavus]

Who makes the valuation?
Value of house or land
House has no value. It's concrete shell
Value is the land and the contents of the house

Not sure about Indonesia, but here in the US they assess land value vs building value separately. Mine is roughly 1:3 between the land and the building

 

[snpark]

Use the Trump rule of accounting

 

[nd_eric_77]

Not sure about Indonesia, but here in the US they assess land value vs building value separately. Mine is roughly 1:3 between the land and the building

The easiest way is to value the house based on the price at time of sale. Of course, transactions can be structured to undervalue real estate (for possibly illegal tax strategies), but it would be exceedingly rare to intentionally overvalue real estate - unless one were attempting to defraud investors or creditors.

 

[centurion]

The easiest way is to value the house based on the price at time of sale. Of course, transactions can be structured to undervalue real estate (for possibly illegal tax strategies), but it would be exceedingly rare to intentionally overvalue real estate - unless one were attempting to defraud investors or creditors.

In Indonesia it is hard to do undervalued sale, as the land will be minimally taxed based on the NJOP (government yearly tax value of the land+building). Overvaluing happens in some cases (i.e. taking more loans from the bank based on overvalued sale that goes in buyer's pocket, while agreed amount goes to the buyer.)