EV in Indonesia

In 10 years, is it likely you may be looking at replacing the batteries? I really want to give Solar a fair shake but my 35+ years in the communications industry is keeping me skeptical. All of our equipment was actually powered by DC. We basically charged the batteries with AC and the batteries were always the weak link even when they were lead acid. A big switching office would have walls and walls of batteries.
It's not impossible to replace the battery in 10 years, although the battery spec is 8000 cycles (>20 years); we'll see. At that time, i believe the battery technology will better and more efficient.
Anyway, the technician who commissioned the system told me, starting next week he will be working for big project - 6000 PV panels occupy area of 3 soccer fields, 3 MW electricity for a cement plant in Cirebon. Seem the PV is getting more and more acceptance.
 
It's not impossible to replace the battery in 10 years, although the battery spec is 8000 cycles (>20 years); we'll see. At that time, i believe the battery technology will better and more efficient.
Anyway, the technician who commissioned the system told me, starting next week he will be working for big project - 6000 PV panels occupy area of 3 soccer fields, 3 MW electricity for a cement plant in Cirebon. Seem the PV is getting more and more acceptance.
I need to set a reminder to check in 20 years from today. It would be great if it turns out that my skepticism is misplaced.
 
It's not impossible to replace the battery in 10 years, although the battery spec is 8000 cycles (>20 years); we'll see. At that time, i believe the battery technology will better and more efficient.
Anyway, the technician who commissioned the system told me, starting next week he will be working for big project - 6000 PV panels occupy area of 3 soccer fields, 3 MW electricity for a cement plant in Cirebon. Seem the PV is getting more and more acceptance.
I highly doubt that a battery for PV system would last more than 20 years in average (MTBF). Such claims often come from sales representatives promoting photovoltaic (PV) systems and batteries, with fine print specifying ideal conditions: maintaining specific temperatures, avoiding overheating, limiting charge and discharge cycles, and not using the battery daily, etc. This ideal condition is designed to dismiss their future liability if it does not meet what they have claimed in their brochures.

Keep in mind, when a battery can no longer reach full capacity, say it only charges up to 50%, it will already need replacement.

The usage of batteries in PV systems is comparable to their use in uninterruptible power supplies (UPS) for data centres they both need inverters. How long do data centre batteries typically last? Even with lithium-ion technology, the lifespan is usually less than 10 years. Also remember the UPS/Battery system in the data centre are typically commercially/industrially rated, maintained by professionals who understand well what they are doing. See the article from APC one of the world leading manufacturer of UPS.

Also just look at electric vehicle (EV) batteries as well, do they last over 20 years in average?
 
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All of these posts are just recycling information already known. EV's are a great step in the right direction! It is a good thing to move away from fossil fuels. The pollution and inefficiency is just too much. Using the energy from the sun is a good move. What needs to be done is obviously fast track the R+D on Batteries!, and to make them more efficient, and the same for EV's!
So instead of all the skeptics saying the same old crap about the inefficiency, the promoters repeating how petroleum is so far the best. We all know these facts!
The world's top scientists and engineer's need to develop any form of clean, renewable, non polluting, energy, and plastics!

I hope this doesn't get deleted because it's off topic! This is the topic! I am just tired of hearing the same stuff over and over, people promoting EV's, and People saying ICE vehicles are the best. Please someone say something new and positive on how we can move forward on Electric vehicles! Are there any publications or think tanks of people coming up with new idea's?
Going around and around saying the same information, and getting nowhere seems to be the norm?
I personally don't have any scientific or training in the EV field. I like the idea of a vehicle that runs on electricity, is quiet, doesn't emit carbon monoxide smoke, doesn't require petrol, oil, to run its engine. I know there is a problem about the batteries being made from hard to find precious metals, that they become a form of toxic waste, don't have a long shelf life, etc. I also have had several vehicles with ICE's. And I know all about their battery problem, pollution, exhaust, etc. looking at the better option, I think the EV is the better option. I can't afford one due to the high cost, and at the moment, don't need a car. But millions of people do need transportation. I think more public transportation is a good idea, when applicable. Anyone else have anything to say on this subject?
 
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No electricity, fossil fuels, charging stations,pollution, bitching about post from one that that pollutes post regularly,

Pedal cars
 
No electricity, fossil fuels, charging stations,pollution, bitching about post from one that that pollutes post regularly,

Pedal cars
So are you suggesting that we eliminate all electric, fossil fuel, vehicles? I don't think there are as you say, pedal powered vehicles available, that can suit the needs of the people. ( families, cargo, buses etc, ). Is this your idea of progress?
 
Thanks for the feedback.
I do not say the battery will last for 20 years; in fact, what I said, it's not impossible to replace the battery in 10 years although the published spec 6000 cycles (the 8000 cycles is for other more expensive one that I donot use so If 1 cycles / per day theoretically more than 20 years). Of course this claim is conditional and or at laboratory test condition. The warrant is 10 years. but there's always small caveat somewhere hidden in published specification.
I was a internal GHG auditor and TA (technical Authority) of ICE (Instrument, Control and Electrical) in my former company. Fully aware with all those issues and conscious when deciding to have off-grid hybrid PV system for our hut. Taking into consideration the intensive BMS and possibility for replacing individual battery/cell into the material selection and design.
Indeed, google is good source information in addition to proper education, training and real experiences.
 
im just gonna pop in here. i see there's several pages and nearly a year since OP.

My wife and I put a deposit (inden) on a BYD M6 Superior (6 seater with 2 captain seats) back in i think September. We were told it would be 70 days until they would deliver. We were told they would refund the Rp10.000.000/put it towards the purchase of the car if they fail to deliver on time. We are now near day 100 with no car and also told that the rp10.000.000 refund deal was only for cars purchased during the gaikindo event that was last july.

So our options are to get our money refunded and rescind our request to purchase a car or just wait it out. They did offer a color that we did not want and we refused. Come on, black car in the sun? You gotta be kidding me...

Wife has given the dealership an earful. They're really bad about updating the status, one needs to poke and prod them.

So for now we are still waiting. I've seen more of these cars popping up in Tangerang, none in Bali though...
 
I think there has been huge demand for the BYD M6. It's the first EV here which is similar to the Kijang Innova, Indonesia's no 1 car. A lot of them have been ordered by the taxi services too.
I'm sure you'll get it soon, then make sure to tell us what it's like.
 
It is interesting to see the advancements in EV, eVTOL, and self-driving technology. To enhance mobility, eVTOL could now be integrated with land-based aircraft carriers for storage and charging.

 
It is interesting to see the advancements in EV, eVTOL, and self-driving technology. To enhance mobility, eVTOL could now be integrated with land-based aircraft carriers for storage and charging.

Exactly what we need, congested air space full of a bunch of idiots.
 
It is interesting to see the advancements in EV, eVTOL, and self-driving technology. To enhance mobility, eVTOL could now be integrated with land-based aircraft carriers for storage and charging.

It all looks good! It is only inevitable, that this is the near future of personal transportation. I'm sure for now, the petroleum industry is doing everything it can, to slow this new technology down. When they can start making money off of it, then the ball will start rolling faster.
 
Exactly what we need, congested air space full of a bunch of idiots.
Hopefully, these new flying vehicles will have automatic sensors to prevent accidents. It's got to be better than the present situation with ground transportation already full of pessimistic, in a hurry, Idiots, with many using their phones while driving!
 
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Hopefully, these new flying vehicles will have automatic sensors to prevent accidents. It's got to be better than the present situation with ground transportation already full of pessimistic, in a hurry, Idiots, with many using their phones while driving!
See if you feel the same way after the first dozen casualties. Bumping a car on the ground and bumping a car at 1000 ft agl can have very different outcomes. Even self driving cars now are either getting stuck in traffic because of their sensors or having themselves beaten and stripped while stopped a red light and can't move because of the crowd. A few have ran redlights and police have tried to pull a few over unsuccessfully. Not sure I want to bet my life on their current sensors.

 
See if you feel the same way after the first dozen casualties. Bumping a car on the ground and bumping a car at 1000 ft agl can have very different outcomes. Even self driving cars now are either getting stuck in traffic because of their sensors or having themselves beaten and stripped while stopped a red light and can't move because of the crowd. A few have ran redlights and police have tried to pull a few over unsuccessfully. Not sure I want to bet my life on their current sensors.

That's why I said, hopefully the technology gets better. I just spoke to someone that bought a two year old Tesla. He says it does work really well, with all the camera's and technology in the car. He showed me live, with him riding/driving in the car, and it was working properly. Stopping at stoplights, automatically going directly where he wanted to go. He agreed, that he will be diligent and always be ready to react in a moment, if he see's a problem. The automatic controls stop immediately when you press the brakes. I was amazed watching it drive automatically! I would love to have one. 👍🤪
P.S. This was in Santa Rosa Ca. Where there are many charging stations available. And people are generally safe drivers.
 
Time, gentlemen, please
The sceptics are all talking about today's issues, while the fans are talking about how great everything is.
Reality says EV cars are too expensive and still suffer from a lot of problems, but electric bikes are getting to be pretty much usable .
The only things that are both cheap and will do the job they are designed are lead acid battery e-bikes.
I believe the future will see EVs become far more useful, and prices will fall in line with ICE cars. They need more time.
 
No matter what sensors may be available the reality is that speed and momentum often disable attempts to avoid accidents. I daresay with this Ronald Reagan disaster both the commercial aircraft and blackhaw had plenty of sensors. And as mentioned by Hawk256 there is a big difference between a land based collision and things falling from the sky after an accident.
 
It seems so much is riding on developing battery technology. Rather disconcerting the fequency of lithium battery fires. The Western Australian government has invested huge amount of money in battery systems to store electricity. I find my self wondering about the risks involved in these densely packed battery systems. I don't pretend to know much about battery storage of electricty so would be interested in comments from those with a grasp of battery technlogy. Do these new WA storage systems have the potential to create enormous fires?
 

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