Dual Passport

[Jamieson]

Hi all,

I understand that for citizens above the age of 21, they are unable to obtain a dual citizenship.
I grew up between Australia and Indonesia and recently has just obtained my Australian Passport. I would like to retain my citizenship in both countries as I grew up in both countries and considered both country as my home.

A question is - if I obtain Australian citizenship, should I visit and leave the country via Singapore? or can I enter Indonesia using my Australian passport and act as if I never had an Indonesian citizenship.

Additionally, would you apply your overseas passport under a different name?

Please help me as my Indonesian passport will expire soon.

 

[Helpful Herbert]

If you try to enter via Singapore, it is highly likely that the Indonesian authorities will at some point find out that you have an Australian passport (sooner rather than later). At that point your Indonesian passport will be cancelled, and you will be left with just the Australian one. So really at this point you need to choose which passport you want to keep. Plus having 2 is illegal (in Indonesia).
Also what different name are you planning to use - James Bond?

 

[Jamieson]

If you try to enter via Singapore, it is highly likely that the Indonesian authorities will at some point find out that you have an Australian passport (sooner rather than later). At that point your Indonesian passport will be cancelled, and you will be left with just the Australian one. So really at this point you need to choose which passport you want to keep. Plus having 2 is illegal (in Indonesia).
Also what different name are you planning to use - James Bond?

Haha thanks.

I left out my middle name on my Australian passport. Have you had any experience yourself?

If only I didn't grow up in Australia, id be pretty easy to keep my Indonesian passport and denounce the other.

 

[Helpful Herbert]

Not personal experience, but I know someone in a very similar situation. He got an Australian permanent residence card but never actually got the passport because he wanted to keep the Indonesian one. He was born in Indonesia, grew up in Australia, lived in Indonesia many years as an adult, but had to go back to Australia once in a while to maintain the permanent residence. Currently he's in Australia long-term but I think he'd like to move back to Indonesia if he can, so still maintains the passport.

 

[pantaiema]

Hi all,

I understand that for citizens above the age of 21, they are unable to obtain a dual citizenship.
I grew up between Australia and Indonesia and recently has just obtained my Australian Passport. I would like to retain my citizenship in both countries as I grew up in both countries and considered both country as my home.

A question is - if I obtain Australian citizenship, should I visit and leave the country via Singapore? or can I enter Indonesia using my Australian passport and act as if I never had an Indonesian citizenship.

Additionally, would you apply your overseas passport under a different name?

Please help me as my Indonesian passport will expire soon.

Try that and share your experience in here.

I understand that it is not illegal to enter Indonesia via Singapore or any other ASEAN countries and use your Australian passport to enter Indonesia. I would like to see the excerpt of the law and/or regulation (with no ambiguity) that says otherwise.

Some people manage to apply for an overseas passport under a different name, especially if they have a long, complicated name. But it might pose issues later when trying to prove their identities if they differ from their birth certificates and they have not legalized their name change.

 

[Shadrach]

I don't get it! What is it these people don't understand about Indonesia doesn't recognize dual passports? Either keep one or the other and accept that's the way it is.

 

[snpark]

Try that and share your experience in here.

I understand that it is not illegal to enter Indonesia via Singapore or any other ASEAN countries and use your Australian passport to enter Indonesia. I would like to see the excerpt of the law and/or regulation (with no ambiguity) that says otherwise.

Some people manage to apply for an overseas passport under a different name, especially if they have a long, complicated name. But it might pose issues later when trying to prove their identities if they differ from their birth certificates and they have not legalized their name change.

I think he means there is no entry exit stamp from SG but they will still ask and see when you left Indonesia etc

 

[pantaiema]

Hi all,

I understand that for citizens above the age of 21, they are unable to obtain a dual citizenship.
I grew up between Australia and Indonesia and recently has just obtained my Australian Passport. I would like to retain my citizenship in both countries as I grew up in both countries and considered both country as my home.

A question is - if I obtain Australian citizenship, should I visit and leave the country via Singapore? or can I enter Indonesia using my Australian passport and act as if I never had an Indonesian citizenship.

Additionally, would you apply your overseas passport under a different name?

Please help me as my Indonesian passport will expire soon.

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[dafluff]

Moderation note: This post is in the law forum, and as per our rules we would like to keep the discussion to factual information specific to the topic at hand.

The tangential discussions have been moved to their own thread here: https://www.expatindo.org/community/threads/dual-passport-citizenship-borderless-travel-etc.7262/

 

[dafluff]

Specific to the original question: There is no legal way of achieving what you want with the laws that are currently in the books.
It is a huge net loss for Indonesia not to allow dual citizenship.

Now there are people who do what you suggest, such as leaving for a third country and then switching passports. However, Indonesian immigration is getting smarter about this and it is not very hard to deduce that you have a second passport by examining your travel history on the Indonesian passport. For example, people I know who are permanent residents of another country were asked to also produce their PR papers from that country upon entering Indonesia. This is a check to make sure that they haven't taken citizenship of the other country.

If you are living in Australia, it would be much easier to give up the Indonesian passport, as entry to Indonesia to visit is very easy with an Australian passport.

 

[Jamieson]

Specific to the original question: There is no legal way of achieving what you want with the laws that are currently in the books.
It is a huge net loss for Indonesia not to allow dual citizenship.

Now there are people who do what you suggest, such as leaving for a third country and then switching passports. However, Indonesian immigration is getting smarter about this and it is not very hard to deduce that you have a second passport by examining your travel history on the Indonesian passport. For example, people I know who are permanent residents of another country were asked to also produce their PR papers from that country upon entering Indonesia. This is a check to make sure that they haven't taken citizenship of the other country.

If you are living in Australia, it would be much easier to give up the Indonesian passport, as entry to Indonesia to visit is very easy with an Australian passport.

Hi Dafluff,

Thank you for your response.

The only way I could think why Indonesia does not allow dual citizen is due to capital outflow. They are scared that people earn income in Indonesia and place their assets overseas.

The only best way I can think of travelling via Singapore, is if I do it often (2-3 times a year).