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Using an Indian ATM card is painful due to limitations and charges.
Charges are more or less than paying Indonesian income tax.
Using an Indian ATM card is painful due to limitations and charges.
If the spouse is Indonesian, the foreign spouse has the right to work online for an offshore company, online as well. That company should not have any activities in Indonesia.Basically yes. I am not 100% sure of Itas details but stay itas is not related to this job at all.
The work is done from a computer/internet and can be done anywhere as with many digital nomad and visitors. the employer and the 'customers' and activities are not in Indonesia.
Right now all work is officially done in Singapore with appropriate visa and tax but Sing. Is clamping down on residency days in country. So looking for alternate option.
I have already read several messages about this on the board it seems to be an area that does not have a ready solution. My initial question was about working for Australian entity while in Indonesia, but even that seems to be not normal. You would think Indonesian consultants would have similar issues if working for Australian entity online.
In my thinking i was hoping there was some kind of pathway involving consultancy agreement and maybe an Indo based HR agency but could not find anything so far.
Can you substantiate that with a law reference? Not with a ‘gut feeling’ argument. personal opinion or some underpinning as “someone from Manpower* once said…”If the spouse is Indonesian, the foreign spouse has the right to work online for an offshore company, online as well
F) Case: A foreigner in a mixed marriage with KITAS sponsored by wife. Working from home and having online businesses. Does not have an office and legal business such as PT or PMA. Because this foreigner is conducting work even though he only works online so this foreigner must have the IMTA. This foreigner also cannot sign work contracts in Indonesia on behalf of himself .
I have been for my own case, when I had a client from another country that included engagement for a period of time and that had to be delivered online, in the Ministry of Manpower in Gatot Subroto, in the Legal Department(that drafts their regulations btw), so I could get the interpretation of the regulations. I also had to be paid in Indonesia, and report the Indonesian tax as well, which later happened.Can you substantiate that with a law reference? Not with a ‘gut feeling’ argument. personal opinion or some underpinning as “someone from Manpower* once said…”
*remember this?
Can you substantiate that with a law reference? Not with a ‘gut feeling’ argument. personal opinion or some underpinning as “someone from Manpower* once said…”
which says quite clearly in Pasal 61 that they may work.
Yes, I agree that the practical side of this issue is more complicated as these laws are sometimes not well understood by officials. You asked for a "law reference" and that was all I was addressing. I have observed that many people are familiar with the Pasal 61 reference to working, but believe that there is a Ketenagakerjaan law which contradicts the Immigration law. As I point out above, this does not appear to be the case.And yes, we can all agree we’re not TKA but we are not Indonesian government officials, lawyers and -most importantly- judges who have the final say. And saying you can do something does not mean you’re not supposed to have an official approval. So as long as there has been no case in court, it’s always walking on eggshells. And everybody can make her/his own decision if the risk perceived is acceptable.
Wow, lama banget .. maybe someone with knowledge on this topic could write an article. Because questions from newbies will keep coming. So, one can direct this person to that article. Just thinking out loud.I’ll leave it at this because we’re having this discussion for more than a decade.
There is no one with factual knowledge on this matter. It has been discussed for the past 8 years with both yes and no having good arguments. One thing I am pretty sure of is if you go into a manpower office and ask, you will get a different answer in each one visited. Normal government workings.Wow, lama banget .. maybe someone with knowledge on this topic could write an article. Because questions from newbies will keep coming. So, one can direct this person to that article. Just thinking out loud.
Another practical issue would be when you do your tax return here in Indonesia while working semi-legally on your spouse sponsored visa.Yes, I agree that the practical side of this issue is more complicated as these laws are sometimes not well understood by officials. You asked for a "law reference" and that was all I was addressing. I have observed that many people are familiar with the Pasal 61 reference to working, but believe that there is a Ketenagakerjaan law which contradicts the Immigration law. As I point out above, this does not appear to be the case.
Well you certainly could not declare any income as employment income. Perhaps you could put it in the "other income" category if there is one? [assuming they would even give you a NPWP number if you don't have official employment]Another practical issue would be when you do your tax return here in Indonesia while working semi-legally on your spouse sponsored visa.
Is it obligatory to do your tax return as a WNA and if so, what is the best thing to do when you are generating income without an IMTA?
There is no semi-legally (sound like semi-pregnant). If you make revenue, it should be declared.Another practical issue would be when you do your tax return here in Indonesia while working semi-legally on your spouse sponsored visa.
Is it obligatory to do your tax return as a WNA and if so, what is the best thing to do when you are generating income without an IMTA?
Hi Manish .. the 183 days rule is pretty standard in most countries and i had to be involved in a similar analysis for staff working in the UK (visiting and working online to manage affairs in Spore but with no $$ coming into the UK)I guess I'm in the same boat. I am an Indian national staying here on a spouse-sponsored visa and working remotely for a US-based company. I get my salary credited to my Indian bank account, and then from there I transfer half of it to my Indonesian bank account.
I have to pay tax in India, that I know, but do I have to pay tax here also as the money is coming from my Indian personal account to my Indonesian account? Yes, I am staying more than 183 days here, and the amount transferred to my Indonesian account is around $1200 per month.
Of course, I will consult with some tax professionals from Indonesia, but I would love to hear other people's views who have experienced the same thing.