Company KITAS to wife KITAP questions

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I can't get a clear answer from the agent my company uses, except that they will charge double the normal price they charge for a kitas extension including a change of sponsorship. I think this is exorbitant so I figured I'll just do it myself, my previous experience with immigration getting the affidavit for my newborn was relatively painless, I wonder if this would be the same.

In saying that, I have contacted the Immigration advisor chat on their website to discuss, and their answers weren't entirely clear this time. As this forum has always been amazingly helpful, so I hope someone can help me through this maze of regulations.

I am currently on a company KITAS and work permit, and my goal is to get a KITAP sponsored by my wife through the 2+ years of marriage rule. My questions are:

1. Can I move from a company sponsored KITAS directly to a wife KITAP or do I have to do the wife sponsored KITAS first?

2. How long does a change of sponsorship take? Does anyone have a link to the steps involved or do I only send all the required documents to immigration and they'll process everything? The agent is saying there are several levels of approval needed that need to be chased yet immigration just gives me a very short list of documents and tell me to submit that (copy of all immigration documents I have now, request from my wife with materai, no objection letter from company with materai, that's it).

3. Does the change of sponsorship affect the KITAS duration? (My current KITAS expires in 2 months, is it wise to try to handle the sponsorship change prior to the extension, at the same time as or should I just let my company handle the normal extension and do the change myself with no rush afterwards)

4. Does the change of sponsorship affect my IMTA/RPKTTA as well as STM/SKTT (I am not moving my residence)? Is there anything that needs to be done on that front or after the change of sponsorship all is done?
 

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Hello, Euc. I'm in the same boat as you (gathering information to go from company Kitas to wife Kitap) and I'll try to help.

1. I can confirm that it's a two step process. Company Kitas to Wife Kitas then Wife Kitas to Wife Kitap.

2. I think for this you need to do your own research and ask other agents for information (but don't tell your current agent) etc. to confirm what is being said to you is true. It's hard to argue against the double price considering there are two steps involved in the process. What I'm more focusing on is the "there are several levels of approval needed" comments which sounds to me like an attempt to discourage you and the lack of clear answer they are giving you.

If you have the wrong kind of agents, your switching over to a Wife Kitas and then to a Wife Kitap will be seen by them as a disruption to their income because they'll go from an annual revenue to a five-yearly revenue if you succeed to getting a wife Kitap. Not all agents are like this, but there are those who play the game this way. Try to dig deeper and see what "game" the agent your company is using is playing. Reality shouldn't be free of bureaucratic hurdles but it shouldn't be impossible either.

I know that when I started badgering my company's agent a little too much about this, they became uncommunicative with me and suddenly said that their agency didn't offer Kitap-related services (despite them being the ones to tell me I need to be married for 2+ years to qualify for a Wife Kitap).

3. From what I've gathered, you'll get 12 months when you change sponsorship.

4. This one, most of the answer given to me says that I have to resign from my job. The logic being that switching to a Kitas sponsored by your wife means that you're here for penyatuan keluarga (family unification) and not for working. Apparently it's quite a grey area and one I've yet to explore fully.
 

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I can't get a clear answer from the agent my company uses, except that they will charge double the normal price they charge for a kitas extension including a change of sponsorship. I think this is exorbitant so I figured I'll just do it myself, my previous experience with immigration getting the affidavit for my newborn was relatively painless, I wonder if this would be the same.

In saying that, I have contacted the Immigration advisor chat on their website to discuss, and their answers weren't entirely clear this time. As this forum has always been amazingly helpful, so I hope someone can help me through this maze of regulations.

I am currently on a company KITAS and work permit, and my goal is to get a KITAP sponsored by my wife through the 2+ years of marriage rule. My questions are:

1. Can I move from a company sponsored KITAS directly to a wife KITAP or do I have to do the wife sponsored KITAS first?

2. How long does a change of sponsorship take? Does anyone have a link to the steps involved or do I only send all the required documents to immigration and they'll process everything? The agent is saying there are several levels of approval needed that need to be chased yet immigration just gives me a very short list of documents and tell me to submit that (copy of all immigration documents I have now, request from my wife with materai, no objection letter from company with materai, that's it).

3. Does the change of sponsorship affect the KITAS duration? (My current KITAS expires in 2 months, is it wise to try to handle the sponsorship change prior to the extension, at the same time as or should I just let my company handle the normal extension and do the change myself with no rush afterwards)

4. Does the change of sponsorship affect my IMTA/RPKTTA as well as STM/SKTT (I am not moving my residence)? Is there anything that needs to be done on that front or after the change of sponsorship all is done?
As far as I know, IMTA and a spouse sponsored visa are not compatible. I feel pretty sure about that. Kind of renders the rest of the questions moot, unless you are going to give up the work permit.

Edit: All wrong, apparently. I'll take mas_dam and centurion's word for it.
 
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mas_dam

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There is no problem. As long as you continue to be compliant on the work permit side and your company does everything as they always did with Kemnaker (RPTKA, DPKK, Notifikasi, Laporan Keberadaan etc.) everything is fine. At least for South Jakarta Immigration (2020) there seems to be also no mechanism or need to report your work permit docs/the fact that you work on spousal KITAS to immigration.

This is of course completely separated from the discussion that can be found in other threads concerning the question what kind of work would be tolerable under spousal KITAS without work permit (almost none formal work).
 

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I can't get a clear answer from the agent my company uses, except that they will charge double the normal price they charge for a kitas extension including a change of sponsorship. I think this is exorbitant so I figured I'll just do it myself, my previous experience with immigration getting the affidavit for my newborn was relatively painless, I wonder if this would be the same.

In saying that, I have contacted the Immigration advisor chat on their website to discuss, and their answers weren't entirely clear this time. As this forum has always been amazingly helpful, so I hope someone can help me through this maze of regulations.

I am currently on a company KITAS and work permit, and my goal is to get a KITAP sponsored by my wife through the 2+ years of marriage rule. My questions are:

1. Can I move from a company sponsored KITAS directly to a wife KITAP or do I have to do the wife sponsored KITAS first?

2. How long does a change of sponsorship take? Does anyone have a link to the steps involved or do I only send all the required documents to immigration and they'll process everything? The agent is saying there are several levels of approval needed that need to be chased yet immigration just gives me a very short list of documents and tell me to submit that (copy of all immigration documents I have now, request from my wife with materai, no objection letter from company with materai, that's it).

3. Does the change of sponsorship affect the KITAS duration? (My current KITAS expires in 2 months, is it wise to try to handle the sponsorship change prior to the extension, at the same time as or should I just let my company handle the normal extension and do the change myself with no rush afterwards)

4. Does the change of sponsorship affect my IMTA/RPKTTA as well as STM/SKTT (I am not moving my residence)? Is there anything that needs to be done on that front or after the change of sponsorship all is done?
1. You have to move to wife-sponsored KITAS first.
2. Change of sponsorship is a couple of months process, especially in the pandemic time. Includes approval from the local Immigration Office (KanIm), Regional Immigration Office (KanWil), and Directorate General of Immigration (DirJen Imigrasi). The same application form/file goes through all these levels.
3. It is advisable to extend the company KITAS first. If you get the no objection letter you can do the process by yourself.
4. It does not affect. However, the employer(or their agent) has to submit the family papers proving that your KITAS is on the spouse sponsorship(KK, spouse KTP, valid marriage certificate) in the next work permit extension.
 

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Thanks for the replies everyone!

4. This one, most of the answer given to me says that I have to resign from my job. The logic being that switching to a Kitas sponsored by your wife means that you're here for penyatuan keluarga (family unification) and not for working. Apparently it's quite a grey area and one I've yet to explore fully.
The way I understand it a KITAS is only a residence permit, it never allows you to work in a formal job. Who sponsors the KITAS (thus your residence in Indonesia) shouldn't matter for work as long as you got the work permit arranged separately.

2. Change of sponsorship is a couple of months process, especially in the pandemic time. Includes approval from the local Immigration Office (KanIm), Regional Immigration Office (KanWil), and Directorate General of Immigration (DirJen Imigrasi). The same application form/file goes through all these levels.

Yes, that is what I was told by the agent as well, which was the time consuming and costly part.

I'll get the company to process my extension normally first and then I'll try to do the change of sponsorship somewhere later on.

4.
There is no problem. As long as you continue to be compliant on the work permit side and your company does everything as they always did with Kemnaker (RPTKA, DPKK, Notifikasi, Laporan Keberadaan etc.) everything is fine. At least for South Jakarta Immigration (2020) there seems to be also no mechanism or need to report your work permit docs/the fact that you work on spousal KITAS to immigration.

This is of course completely separated from the discussion that can be found in other threads concerning the question what kind of work would be tolerable under spousal KITAS without work permit (almost none formal work).

Yes, the company will keep processing everything as normal, and I actually meant the other way around; to ensure that the new KITAS number matches the one on the kemnaker docs, not sure if this is a thing, will need to find out more details.
 

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I actually meant the other way around; to ensure that the new KITAS number matches the one on the kemnaker docs, not sure if this is a thing, will need to find out more details.
This is not an issue at Kemnaker as the normal flow is work permit --> KITAS.
Nevertheless, work permit follows the KITAS validity dates (without mentioning the number).

The same applies for Family KITAS. If you hold a family KITAS i.e. valid 11/2020-11/2021 and your company processes your (first) work permit this month 07/2021 it can be only valid util 11/2021, even if you are otherwise eligble to a 12 months work permit. Afterwards things should get synched automatically. This is at least my experience, still depends on the Kemnaker office etc. I assume.
 

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