Car information and advice wanted.

[harryopal1]

We live in Bali and have a 2015 Toyota Avanza manual. Wife wants to trade for a smaller, automatic. Given the state of roads, best to get a vehicle with good ground clearance. What is the best small automatic with good ground clearance? Am wary of buying a used car but costs for new is daunting. Possibilities are trade in with a dealer. Loan payments here are not too bad. Better to look for a trade and a used car with a dealer for a less painful price or bite the bit and trade up?
In buying a used car I usually anticipate the possibility of spending a couple of thousand dollars for repairs in the first year.

 

[Hawk256]

We live in Bali and have a 2015 Toyota Avanza manual. Wife wants to trade for a smaller, automatic. Given the state of roads, best to get a vehicle with good ground clearance. What is the best small automatic with good ground clearance? Am wary of buying a used car but costs for new is daunting. Possibilities are trade in with a dealer. Loan payments here are not too bad. Better to look for a trade and a used car with a dealer for a less painful price or bite the bit and trade up?
In buying a used car I usually anticipate the possibility of spending a couple of thousand dollars for repairs in the first year.
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If you stay small, ground clearance always seems to be an issue. The one exception that I know of is a Honda BRV and it's not really small. I would defiantly be warry of used cars here. The prices stay high and most people don't get rid of their car until it becomes a repair black hole. Maybe you can find an exception to the rule?

 

[Helpful Herbert]

Second hand car prices are really high in Indonesia. My 2017 Kijang Innova has a second hand value which is almost the same as what I paid for it new!

 

[Samoerai]

Second hand car prices are really high in Indonesia. My 2017 Kijang Innova has a second hand value which is almost the same as what I paid for it new!

Wow, in that case buying a new car, is not "buang uang". After a few years, sell the car and get your money back. You drove a car for free!

 

[centurion]

180mm is the minimum clearance for Indonesia, start from there.

 

[Hawk256]

Wow, in that case buying a new car, is not "buang uang". After a few years, sell the car and get your money back. You drove a car for free!

Not uncommon to drive a car here for 5 years and sell it for just a few million less than you paid (within a certian class, not too cheap not too expensive) as long as you bought at a good price to start with. Seen it a few times. One of the reasons I wouldn't worry about buying new here.

 

[Samoerai]

Not uncommon to drive a car here for 5 years and sell it for just a few million less than you paid (within a certian class, not too cheap not too expensive) as long as you bought at a good price to start with. Seen it a few times. One of the reasons I wouldn't worry about buying new here.

Didn't know that. Weird nonetheless.

 

[snpark]

Trade in for a brand new one. Then sell in 2-3 years you will hardly lose much at all

For a run around just an avanza is fine for Bali. 1.6 should be powerful enough for the hills even fully laden
Clearance also ok. You don't need a range rover.

Remember daihatsu serious and Toyota rush are the same care just $10,000 cheaper

 

[snpark]

Buying second hand not worth the risk or hassle

Buy brand new from dealer. Take one from the forecourt already available for a good price. Don't "order" it. They like to get rid of existing inventory first old facelifts etc etc

 

[harryopal1]

The Rush has a 210cm clearance. Not infrequently one finds entrance to places requires crossing a foothpath with a quite steep accent that would tend to scrape with many of the lower cars

 

[harryopal1]

Do most of the new sales dealers do trade ins?

 

[Samoerai]

The Rush has a 210cm clearance. Not infrequently one finds entrance to places requires crossing a foothpath with a quite steep accent that would tend to scrape with many of the lower cars

Only 300 juta. Unbelievable.

 

[Hawk256]

Do most of the new sales dealers do trade ins?

They will but they will already have a reseller lined up to take it from them and will low ball you. I have also heard of them trying to lower the price on your trade at the last minute. Also it's easier to negotiate with them on the selling price when a trade isn't involved. A good used car at a good price will sell in a couple of weeks with very minimal advertising, at least IME.

 

[harryopal1]

Thanks for the continuing information. Meanwhile I have been checking details across a variety of models. Quite a process.

 

[Hawk256]

Another piece of advice is to get a banker involved to faciltate the sale. When we were shopping for the Innova, the best we could get for a discount from a dealer was 10 million and a couple didn't want to discount at all. The banker got inolved and with his dealer he could do a total of 30 million cash back after the sale. Toyota dealers are especially hard to get a discount out of. Don't be afraid to shop around with several dealers. They may say no one day and call you back the next ready to accpet your offer. For comparison when we bought the BRV, we got almost a 35 million discount but it was in April and they still had a couple of the previous years model. Deals are out there and you are in the drivers seat as they say.

 

[Teabag]

I' ve bought a year ago a 2011 Chevrolet Captiva diesel for around 170 juta with very low and documented kilometers. I knew, that I will have to invest about 10% of the buying price to make it fit, so I did. New battery, new spare key, changed the headunit to a tomiko 10 inch incl. a new back view camera, added the missing hat rack and new wiper. Cost was about 20 juta.

For me the perfect car, ground clearence ist good, 168 horse power, enough space for lots of goods in the trunk,soft shock absorber, comfortable seats and that came all for under 200 jt.

Also the car is over 2 tons, which gives you a bit of an advantage should an Avanza crash to you. Furthermore, for that cheap price, compared to new models, scratches do not hurt so much.

The only downside is the consumption. At freeway or out of city driving its by a decent 8 liters per 100 km. In the city with stop and go, it can get high as 20 liter per 100 km. This does not bother me, making only 300 km a month, so consumption is not an issue.


You may have once a look at such a car.

 

[harryopal1]

I' ve bought a year ago a 2011 Chevrolet Captiva diesel for around 170 juta with very low and documented kilometers. I knew, that I will have to invest about 10% of the buying price to make it fit, so I did. New battery, new spare key, changed the headunit to a tomiko 10 inch incl. a new back view camera, added the missing hat rack and new wiper. Cost was about 20 juta.

For me the perfect car, ground clearence ist good, 168 horse power, enough space for lots of goods in the trunk,soft shock absorber, comfortable seats and that came all for under 200 jt.

Also the car is over 2 tons, which gives you a bit of an advantage should an Avanza crash to you. Furthermore, for that cheap price, compared to new models, scratches do not hurt so much.

The only downside is the consumption. At freeway or out of city driving its by a decent 8 liters per 100 km. In the city with stop and go, it can get high as 20 liter per 100 km. This does not bother me, making only 300 km a month, so consumption is not an issue.


You may have once a look at such a car.

I appreciate the trouble you have gone to passing on these thoughts. However, the main reason for change is so my wife can drive again and to achieve that we will have to go for a small automatic. I am quite happy with the manual Avanza but wife could not bring herself to try again with this. Thanks again.

 

[Bad_azz]

Do most of the new sales dealers do trade ins?

I traded my manual Calya for a Rush, no trouble at all, I guess I got lowballed a little but not enough for me to want the hassles of selling privately and faffing around.
Not sure how the Rush is $10,000 more expensive than the Daihatsu car SNPark mentioned.
There was a price difference, yes, but certainly nothing like that.
However Toyota (the name ) sells better - so bear in mind , despite them being identical vehicles and made in the same factory etc - many buyers are unaware of this hence there being more Toyotas than anything on the road.
I know this because I am a saddo who counts vehicle makes as I drive up & down the toll roads to stop me from going nuts with boredom.

Also- if you cannot nego on the price too much get them to throw in free services.
I got 3 years of free service & seat covers & a few little extras thrown in.

 

[snpark]

I' ve bought a year ago a 2011 Chevrolet Captiva diesel for around 170 juta with very low and documented kilometers. I knew, that I will have to invest about 10% of the buying price to make it fit, so I did. New battery, new spare key, changed the headunit to a tomiko 10 inch incl. a new back view camera, added the missing hat rack and new wiper. Cost was about 20 juta.

For me the perfect car, ground clearence ist good, 168 horse power, enough space for lots of goods in the trunk,soft shock absorber, comfortable seats and that came all for under 200 jt.

Also the car is over 2 tons, which gives you a bit of an advantage should an Avanza crash to you. Furthermore, for that cheap price, compared to new models, scratches do not hurt so much.

The only downside is the consumption. At freeway or out of city driving its by a decent 8 liters per 100 km. In the city with stop and go, it can get high as 20 liter per 100 km. This does not bother me, making only 300 km a month, so consumption is not an issue.


You may have once a look at such a car.

170jt for a 12 year old car?? Dude you can buy a BRAND NEW wulang for that much, at least it has warranty for 2-3 years then sell it in 3 years for 130jt to some kid wanting to be a grab driver

 

[snpark]

And my advice buy brand new from a dealer, take finance (BCA) and put down 30-40%% dp rest on finance 3.5%
Your money is safe in your bank making you more than 3.5% (easily possible)

Your loved one gets to build up a good credit history in the bank for future

No need to pay cash
And you won't get big discount paying cash, higher discount with finance, but what they do is throw in floor mats, warranty, discounted insurance and help you get a fancy number plate plus all the registration
Trust me honestly its worth it for the hassle not to fuss over 5-10jt and just let them do the dirty work and you get a car already registered with your wife's initials and new mats and cheap insurance and a key ring and extra warranty and they can take care of your old car if you trade

Also like I said, you keep 70% of your cash in the bank and only need to find like 5-10jt a month for a few years