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The thread about his on Redit is interesting.
Most say he should issue a public apology, give everyone in the class an A, but not fired.
I would like to see the student's email to the prof though. It may or may not have provoked the response.
Most say he should issue a public apology, give everyone in the class an A, but not fired.
I would like to see the student's email to the prof though. It may or may not have provoked the response.
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It is one thing to simply reject a request, but it is entirely another to mock it at length.
He probably has tenure, so he‘s safe.
All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab, nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black, nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action.
Nice words do not change the fact that Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, bought, sold, captured, and owned slaves, as his followers during the centuries and even until today in some countries, seeing him as a perfect man emulating him. In the same boat with Geroge Washington, Thomas Jefferson (they did not capture slaves, but just owned them and occasionally traded them). They also wrote nice texts..."We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal...". The slaveowners in the UK where their statues are being or will be demolished did also many charities.
So are the mosques in danger in the US and UK now?
Well, statues and images of Muhammad are banned already, so nothing to demolish, I guess?
I must question your fixation with mosques tho...what is your motive in singling them out? After all Christians and Jews historically also condoned slavery. So did virtually every culture in the world. Why don't we destroy everything and start over?
See two can play a game of reductio ad absurdum.
Also, it must have taken an incredibly torturous logical journey to go from "Let's stop killing innocent black people, have less police brutality and try to have better racial understanding" to "We should demolish mosques in US and UK"...
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I think this is a bit of a stretch. Those statues are seen as a symbol of European colonialism - a violent system under which white privileges were born out. The removal of those statues is therefore a symbolic movement of dismantling the system. Isn't it ironic to call the US and UK a place where civilised society live - places where black and POC are often subject of racism.
This is a mistake that many make. US and UK +European countries(mostly Western), are at the top of the progressive societies in the world and blacks and POC?(descendants of Spanish/Portuguese conquerors/slaveowners and local women+others) are, comparing to the rest of the world in one of the most equal societies in the world. Real problems exist, but they are comparing the rest of the world, very low. You just see the problems because is allowed to be speak about them.
You see that when you go out of these countries, including one that you reside here.
Just to remind you that Arab word for black African is "abeed", meaning "slave".
The outrageous racism that ‘graced’ Arab TV screens in Ramadan
Like in the past, this year’s Ramadan series featured scenes of vulgar racism against Afro/black Arabs.
This is pure "whataboutery", if you are serious about having a discussion about that I suggest you start a new thread.
They did not establish any religion. If they did, I suppose there would be calls for their closure.
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Well, statues and images of Muhammad are banned already, so nothing to demolish, I guess?
I must question your fixation with mosques tho...what is your motive in singling them out? After all Christians and Jews historically also condoned slavery. So did virtually every culture in the world. Why don't we destroy everything and start over?
See two can play a game of reductio ad absurdum.
Also, it must have taken an incredibly torturous logical journey to go from "Let's stop killing innocent black people, have less police brutality and try to have better racial understanding" to "We should demolish mosques in US and UK"...
Reduction ad absurdum is my point here. If you see through 21st-century eyes the past, everybody could be a monster. Mohammad's behaviour was in line with the time, at least according to my opinion.
There should be a mature discussion in the US, based on facts. Real issues exist, however, there are 5 months till elections and that influences any discussion.
Stories that the US and Western Europe are the epitome of racism is ultimate nonsense. US had a Civil War to abolish slavery, and Saudi Arabia abolished slavery in the 1960s.
Illegal immigrants are coming to the US, risking life, to compete under US terms and conditions, not to make a new Cuba. They are not coming to Canada either but to the US. They would not simply come to the US if it is racist as described.
In US, statistically, the unarmed black people are not hunted and gunned down by police more than other groups, when the sample is normalized for age (they are 10 years younger than average population).
However, against black people, statistically is disproportionately used the force by police comparing to other groups for the same crimes or interventions.
Police brutality is an issue in the US. Why there is no such rebuttal to the police when non-minority get killed? Here is a video of Tony Timpa, killed by the police, suffocated while policemen are laughing. When they find out that he is dead, they just continued joking. Nobody stood for him. Is this whataboutism too?
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Confederate statues were built to further a white supremacist future. They were not built to commemorate fallen confederate soldiers after the war ended in 1865, most were built at the turn of the century after Plessy v. Ferguson legalized racial segregation in USA (known elsewhere as apartheid). A good number of them was built in the 1960’s as a white supremacist symbol of defiance to the civil rights movement.
www.npr.org
Confederate Statues Were Built To Further A 'White Supremacist Future'
President Trump hasn't mentioned it as he's defended the memorabilia over the past week, but historians say the statues were originally built to send a clear message to black Americans.
www.npr.org
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I would like to see those statistics.
The US has a systemic race problem AND it has a systemic policing problem. These recent stories are amplified when they are in the intersection of both problems. In my opinion poor policing (an understatement) was the primary cause of death for George Floyd and Breonna Taylor, and racism was the primary cause of death, and coverup, for Ahmaud Arbery.
And clearly most people understand that policing is the primary thing that can be fixed with relative ease at a legislative and community level, because that is what the vast majority of the reform discussion is about. Ending qualified immunity for police, 'defunding' the police, banning chokeholds, etc. etc.
Fryer is a black American professor on HU.
An Empirical Analysis of Racial Differences in Police Use of Force
Roland G. Fryer J. An Empirical Analysis of Racial Differences in Police Use of Force. Journal of Political Economy. Forthcoming.
scholar.harvard.edu
Good Policing Saves Black Lives
A report by Harvard’s Roland Fryer shows that when the cops pull back, homicides increase. How do you root out bad cops without changing the behavior of good cops? That’s a question explored in a forthcoming academic paper on policing the police by Harvard economist Roland Fryer and co-author...
www.manhattan-institute.org
Not on CNN or MSNBC front page today, maybe he is considered as another "oreo":
www.reuters.com
atlantablackstar.com
As U.S. struggles with race issues, Senate confirms first black Air Force chief of staff
The U.S. Senate confirmed General Charles Brown on Tuesday as the first African-American military service chief, voting unanimously to make him chief of staff of the Air Force as the armed forces - and the country as a whole - grapple with questions about racial inequality.
www.reuters.com
Trump Taps Gen. Charles Q. Brown to Become Air Force's First African-American Chief of Staff
The U.S. Air Force could see its first African-American chief of staff. White House officials confirmed Monday, March 2 that Gen. Charles Q. Brown has
atlantablackstar.com
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