2nd hand watch shops in Jakarta

[Anglian]

Isn't it supposed to be serviced every decade or so?

I didn't know that, I did have it checked about 3 years ago, I only wear it now and again, I've got a fake Rolex, looks the bees knees except when it rains it fills up with water, I actually like my Seiko Solar best, it keeps spot on time day and night

 

[Nimbus]

I didn't know that, I did have it checked about 3 years ago, I only wear it now and again, I've got a fake Rolex, looks the bees knees except when it rains it fills up with water, I actually like my Seiko Solar best, it keeps spot on time day and night

Ah. If you wear it occasionally, you can get away with not servicing it. Just like any other mechanical device, if you run it every day it will eventually need routine maintenance. At least the internals need to be re-oiled. No different from your car periodically getting an oil change.

When it comes to accuracy, quartz watches beat mechanical every day of the week and twice on sunday. I wear an automatic because I like the mechanical engineering and craftsmanship put into it. Since I can be anal about accuracy sometimes, I got a 'hacking' watch, meaning the second hand stops when I pull the crown. Many cheaper mechanical watches don't hack, so you can only adjust the hour and minute hands. At any given moment a non-hacking watch is off by 0 to 30 seconds despite your best effort.

If I need something that I can bang around without worry, I wear my Timex Ironman. The stuff is basically indestructible, and it has the typical accuracy of a quartz watch. My arm would break before it does. Oh, and it cost a princely sum of $28.

 

[Davita]

I think Indonesians must wear very cheap and inaccurate watches as they're never punctual. I heard one say Indonesian watches use rubber bands...at least that's how google interprets 'jam karet.'....

 

[steveandpenny]

Damn it my 20 dollar Rolex stopped working. Oh well I've got nowhere to be.

 

[Davita]

I've heard of guys seeing a nob in a bar...you know the type: flashy clothes, Gucci shoes, gold lighter and gold Rolex...is to admire his watch and, when he preens himself, add "that must be the most realistic fake I've ever seen!"

I've also heard of guys go to Bangkok and rent a girl for the night. In the morning leave without their fake $20 Rolex watch but not pay the girl the negotiated price...the girls were so excited they would forgive the cash.

Of course I've only heard about those episodes...not being the kind of person who would know, or associate with, such absolute cads!....

 

[steveandpenny]

Fake ? I thought it was real and just got a great deal.

 

[Nimbus]

You know, a $20 Rolex is probably easy to spot, but a $100 Rolex would take an expert to identify.

 

[Davita]

You know, a $20 Rolex is probably easy to spot, but a $100 Rolex would take an expert to identify.

Which begs the question...what's the difference between a $20 and $100 Rolex watch... eighty bucks from the fool who paid the latter...

 

[Nimbus]

Which begs the question...what's the difference between a $20 and $100 Rolex watch... eighty bucks from the fool who paid the latter...

There is a difference in quality. A $20 Rolex can probably be spotted from several meters away just from the lack of glint on the crystal and the way the bracelet curve. You'll need to hold the $100 fake to know. I heard that they recently began making $400 'clones', which an expert can only tell by opening the case and examining the movement with a loupe. I know $400 is a lot of money for a fake, but if it's as real as the $8000 original for everybody except the guy in the jewelry store, then it's not a bad deal.

It's kinda like fake money, if it's so good that nobody but an expert can tell, then it's as good as real for the average people.

This is part of the reason I tend to steer away from luxury items, because the value comes mostly from brand and authenticity rather than performance.

 

[Davita]

There is a difference in quality. A $20 Rolex can probably be spotted from several meters away just from the lack of glint on the crystal and the way the bracelet curve. You'll need to hold the $100 fake to know. I heard that they recently began making $400 'clones', which an expert can only tell by opening the case and examining the movement with a loupe. I know $400 is a lot of money for a fake, but if it's as real as the $8000 original for everybody except the guy in the jewelry store, then it's not a bad deal.

It's kinda like fake money, if it's so good that nobody but an expert can tell, then it's as good as real for the average people.

This is part of the reason I tend to steer away from luxury items, because the value comes mostly from brand and authenticity rather than performance.

$400 for a copy of a fake...that's priceless!!!
I hope my wife never reads this....she thinks her Salvatore Ferragamo shoes are perfect...probably why she never wears them outside but only parades them around when we have guests.....

 

[Nimbus]

Take a look at this video:


Two fakes and one authentic. The latest $350 fake is so close to the original that he actually wears it as a beater watch, something he puts on when he works on his car and things. The real one is saved for the office, especially when he wears a long sleeve shirt, to keep it from getting scratched.

Unless you really know your stuff, there's no way you can tell the difference just by looking.

 

[snpark]

Of course the ultimate fake Rolex is to just buy a Tudor - it is actually the same company

Bit like buying a Daihatsu Terios here instead of a Toyota Rush - they are identical except for the badge making it cost 200jt more

 

[Euc-]

Take a look at this video:


Two fakes and one authentic. The latest $350 fake is so close to the original that he actually wears it as a beater watch, something he puts on when he works on his car and things. The real one is saved for the office, especially when he wears a long sleeve shirt, to keep it from getting scratched.

Unless you really know your stuff, there's no way you can tell the difference just by looking.

Sorry but I disagree, I don’t even need to open the video to be able to point out a few differences making the most right watch the original, and I don’t know much about Omega. In fairness I do have to say I own an older version of that seamaster.

Anyone who has a bit of interest in watches should be able to spot the differences, especially concerning Omega, Rolex, AP and Patel, due to special materials used such as ceramic bezels, pearls and precious metals.

I can name only one brand of which the fakes have become so good that even experts would have difficulties in pointing out the real one without seeing the movement, and that’s Panerai. But even then, no matter if it’s a $20 or $500 fake, the movement will always fail the test.

Besides all that, don’t wear fake watches period. Only posers do. For the price of a fake you can get a Seiko which is 10 times better, so there really is no excuse to wear a fake.

Btw, he only wears the real one to the office when he has a long sleeve? Why does he buy an Omega in the first place then? Watches are meant to be used, and that includes scratching them. It’s like buying a Bentley but only drive the Avanza as you might scratch the Bentley.

 

[Euc-]

This is part of the reason I tend to steer away from luxury items, because the value comes mostly from brand and authenticity rather than performance.

No. I have a 5000 dollar suit, which is entirely handmade from the finest fabrics. Nobody knows the brand when I wear it, and even if they know 99% of the people wouldn’t even have heard about it.

Would the performance/function be any difference than a 500/1000 dollar suit? Nope. Would anyone but the finest coinnosseur recognize what I’m wearing? Nope. Do I care? Nope.

IMHO, you have these kind of items because of the traditions behind it, knowing that something is handcreated by someone who has dedicated his/her life to the perfection of that particular craft, appreciating the beauty and the dedication, including the imperfections that there are bound to be precisely due to it being handcreated, recognizing that you have something that is relatively unique in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Bad_azz]

I think it is probably easier to tell with a vintage watch- the one I have is not a fake and you can just tell by the feel of it & the 50 years of muck on it
I guess it is like being able to tell a counterfeit bank note from a real one- hard to explain, there is just a difference in quality & materials used.

 

[Nimbus]

Sorry but I disagree, I don’t even need to open the video to be able to point out a few differences making the most right watch the original, and I don’t know much about Omega. In fairness I do have to say I own an older version of that seamaster.

Yeah, but you are a collector. I think 99% of people out there can't tell the difference. If the fake in the middle stands on its own without the real one nearby, very few can point that it's a replica.

 

[Nimbus]

No. I have a 5000 dollar suit, which is entirely handmade from the finest fabrics. Nobody knows the brand when I wear it, and even if they know 99% of the people wouldn’t even have heard about it.

Would the performance/function be any difference than a 500/1000 dollar suit? Nope. Would anyone but the finest coinnosseur recognize what I’m wearing? Nope. Do I care? Nope.

IMHO, you have these kind of items because of the traditions behind it, knowing that something is handcreated by someone who has dedicated his/her life to the perfection of that particular craft, appreciating the beauty and the dedication, including the imperfections that there are bound to be precisely due to it being handcreated, recognizing that you have something that is relatively unique in the grand scheme of things.

You have a point. There are luxury items that are expensive because of craftsmanship, and then there are expensive things because they're status symbols. At this point in my life I'm not that interested in either. For every product there's a point of diminishing returns, and I tend to not veer too far from it.

I used to be into knives, and there are custom pieces worth thousands of dollars because they're handmade by a known smith. They're not known outside knife collector circle, so these are luxury due to craftsmanship. I never bought into that either, as my interest topped off at premium 'production' knives made of high performance steel with advanced metallurgical properties.

 

[Nimbus]

I think it is probably easier to tell with a vintage watch- the one I have is not a fake and you can just tell by the feel of it & the 50 years of muck on it
I guess it is like being able to tell a counterfeit bank note from a real one- hard to explain, there is just a difference in quality & materials used.

Some USD counterfeit bills are passing the 'feel' test, because the material is real! They take a $1 bill, wash all the ink out of it, then print a $100 design on it. It feels real because it is a real dollar, just with the wrong value.

 

[Davita]

If I bought a $5000 suit it would need to last a lifetime...consequently....would need to be made from stretchable rubber...

 

[Euc-]

If I bought a $5000 suit it would need to last a lifetime...consequently....would need to be made from stretchable rubber...

If you wear it in a rotation, as in not every single day, and take good care of it, then it certainly has the potential to last a lifetime. At the same time it is a good motivator to stay in shape